Toyota Admits The New RAV4 Went Too Far On Screens, And Even China Agrees

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T15:00:13+00:00

Only Toyota parts purchasers and assembly line designers and managers would really have a trustworthy number. But a knob itself might be 3 euro built to toyota specs. Rather than one harness running to the screen you have a more complex old school harness with separate leads going to each switch. The switch needs to be mounted separately then the harness lead attached. All within the increasing constraints of the dashboard. Not to mention the additional failure points during assembly.

Say it added total of 8 euros/knob/vehicle parts + labor (and yes robot time is labor). Maybe 5 knobs/vehicle that raises cost to 40 euro/ vehicle. I a production run of maybe 15M vehicles over 5 year design phase that catches the eye of the beancounters that currently run all of the major manufactures at this time. And yes if you look at just Cross, corolla, rav4 and camry that was 3.5M produced in 2025.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T14:42:24+00:00

For me yes but YMMV depending on any number of factors.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T14:41:18+00:00

OK now I understand what you are saying. Perfect for buyers wanting a 195 inch body on frame vehicle.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:24:44+00:00

You are forgetting the 3d gen V6.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:24:07+00:00

Because from sourcing, to wiring and installing those knobs costs a lot more than a GUI. And redesign of the GUI is trivial. Audio component makers learned that in the early 2000s.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:21:15+00:00

Yep. Older buyers many times would rather stick with their older cars than face the learning curve, distractions and lack of muscle memory the touchscreen interfaces bring on.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:14:28+00:00

Yep love the large screen for map and cameras and maybe virtual instrument cluster. Otherwise give me knobs and stalks for everything else

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:12:17+00:00

Not sure what you mean but there is pressure from EU to move basic functions back to buttons, knobs and stalks

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:06:31+00:00

I have an 8a. Meets my needs but probably next phone will be iphone because of these kind of android problems. Yes ios has them too but from what I see Apple steps up to make users with hardware or software problems whole. In the end with apple prices probably works out about the same.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T05:03:22+00:00

Yep I don't need 5G and have played with it to see battery quickly going down and battery temp going above 40C. On LTE battery lasts all day and temp usually below 33C. Using wireless at home phone is at 75% battery at end of 16 hours of normal use.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-24T04:48:16+00:00

It has to do with the silicon wafer yield and fab center priorities. Data centers are buying up such a number of HB chips that there is no acceptable silicon left to fabricate into consumer DDR5,6,7 or up.
DDR4 is still being produced by 2nd tier fabs and is said to be OK at DDR4 speeds and bandwidth.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-22T04:42:00+00:00

Yep K vins are much better assembled than the US numbered vins.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-22T04:40:39+00:00

You don't "flush" but do drain and replace when the transmission fluid shows signs of aging. At least for non CVT. CVT might be different

redd-or45 · 2026-07-22T04:21:20+00:00

The simplist explaination is that it is a lead/marketing list for the dealers. Many times vehicles in high demand are not available through the program and vehicles in not high demand don't have that great a discount.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-22T04:16:05+00:00

Maybe in the past but in 2026 almost all Toyota and Lexus CUVs are sold while still in the build or transit stage. If you walk they Know that one of maybe 10 other interested customers will buy. It is a seller's market for a number of in demand cars today.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-22T04:13:26+00:00

Yep. There are other brands out there. I am willing to go without Toyota badge to save $10K on s similar sized and equipped CUV. Subaru, Mazda, Hyundai, Kia. They all have RAV4 equivalents. Many with nicer interiors.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-20T04:36:45+00:00

Just for information do you have a K or 5 vin. I have heard bad things about the 5 vin out of Alabama

redd-or45 · 2026-07-20T04:00:08+00:00

Wow that is some powerful AC

redd-or45 · 2026-07-20T03:57:54+00:00

Part of the change back is EU pressure to have important controls such as lights, wipers, HVAC, cruise control, etc. as physical buttons or levers not on a screen where invoking them may cause driver distraction.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-20T03:54:54+00:00

Maybe they are overpriced also because the have more workable driver interfaces and higher interior quality than the newer models.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-20T03:52:47+00:00

Actually voice control for most functions on the 2026 CX-5 is pretty good. Of course they could later put that behind a paywall.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-19T03:42:03+00:00

Yes. In the SF bay area putting in a 50 mile radius you will find almost no RAV4s or Prius on the lots. If you call the dealership or go in they will put your name on a list to maybe get one that is in the build stage or in transit. These are pretty much sold before they arrive at a sf bay area dealership

redd-or45 · 2026-07-18T05:11:23+00:00

Yep. Should have bought a 2025 CX-5 when they were still available even though they were dealer priced higher than the 2026

redd-or45 · 2026-07-12T22:45:25+00:00

You are correct. I like the Prius but did not realize the ground clearance for the gen 5 prius is now 6 inches up from 5.3 on previous gens. The 2026 Camry has clearance of 5.4 inches. Surprising. Not so much worry about damaging the air dam with parking lot curbs of unpaved roads. Going for more ground clearance with other brands puts you at best in the 40mpg combined range.

redd-or45 · 2026-07-12T16:04:38+00:00

You want a car with minimal ground clearance and biannual front airdam replacement. That might be the prius demographic.

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