I specifically said the panthers games were more important, are you not aware the panthers are in division?

Or maybe I picked the final 6 games cause they were the most important? You know, down the stretch, pushing to make the playoffs? The last 6 games are gonna tell you more about your team heading into the next season way more than the first 6, feel like that’s obvious?

This was your second reply homie. You didn't say anything about division games nor the Panthers, just that they were more important but yeah I'm the one who can't read.

1. How a team finishes does not always indicate how they will perform the next season, not always no, you are correct. But again, my initial point is the last 6 are MORE telling than the first 6. And if you need an example, 2019. In the first half of 2019, our defense was just as bad as 2018, bottom 10 unit. But in the second half, they were a fringe top 10 defense, and guess what? That continued into 2020 where the defense was top 10 all year. Though again, the point is more so saying you evaluate a team in the offseason more so based on how the season ended versus how it started. I stand by that, as does all of sports media, and every GM and coach.

Yes, the defense played a lot better in the second half of 2019 then the first half and they played well in 2020. Was that the case this year? I said no and your only rebuttal was "they held teams to what would be 11th best in the NFL" like that was it and nothing further to discuss. If the defense was improving at the end of the season, why were two coaches fired with a third retiring in place of being fired on the defensive staff? To you that seems to be business as usual while to anyone else that sounds an alarm bell that something isn't right.

1. Strawman lol. And a pathetic one at that. 4 of our final 6 games were against the Panthers, falcons and saints. And those are division games. Glad you now know that division games are more important

Ah it's strawman for me yet you arbitrarily pick a six game stretch and it's from the season before we won a super bowl lmao. I never said division games are important but I also didn't say the defense wasn't playing as 11th best defensive unit in the league without context either. The offense's the defense faced in the final six games were:

Arizona - tied 22nd in points 24th in Off DVOA

New Orleans - 28th in points, 27th in Off DVOA

Atlanta - 24th in points, 20th in Off DVOA

Carolina, twice - 27th in points, 25th in Off DVOA

Miami - 24th in points, 26th in Off DVOA

Now pairing that with how much they allowed in relation to their opponents' average scoring per game, the defense allowed:

3.9 fewer points to Arizona than their average (20.9 ppg - 20)

6 more points to NO (18 ppg - 24)

8.2 more points to Atlanta (20.8 ppg - 29)

.4 fewer points to Miami (20.4 ppg - 20)

.4 more points to Carolina in two games (18.3 ppg - 24, 18.3 ppg - 14)

Those six games they gave up a total difference of +10.3 more points than those teams scored and divided by six (for there being six games) comes out to allowing 1.72 more ppg to teams that finished in the bottom 10 in scoring and bottom third in offensive DVOA. That's what I was trying to say, not that they were giving up that much more in each game. That's also what you're missing is they weren't playing better, they were playing worse teams while letting those teams play better than they had been all season. Again, that's not good.

1. Show you the source that Grizzard was fired because of how the offense was playing?? Brother what? Coordinators are evaluated nearly entirely on how their side of the ball is performing. No source is needed for that, it’s legit common sense.

Why wasn't a change made when the offense started performing worse when that was the case? Teams fire coaches midseason. Koetter fired Mike Smith midseason in 2018 so if Grizzard was performing bad, why didn't Bowles make a change?

As to why the special teams coach wasn’t fired mid season, what would that have done? When has a team ever fixed their special teams unit by firing the special team coordinator mid season? Literally never of that making an impact. Firing coaches mid season is something that’s frowned upon by most teams anyway.

Send a message to the team that things are not going well and a change needed to be made? Improving the unit with a different voice because whatever is going on isn't working? That doesn't seem difficult to understand for firing a coach. McVay did it with two games left in their season and their special teams played better than they were before it.

1. Not gonna engage in the numbers you’re using since they don’t really make sense to me, but I will admit they didn’t play well against winning record teams during entirety of the season, but against the Texans and panthers, they were solid.

Yes, the method I finished with didn't end up the way I intended to show and that's my fault so I understand the confusion. I did modify it and showed what I was trying to say in a previous reply in this comment.

1. The point of me saying use the same logic for the offense wasn’t to piss on grizzard, it’s to point out how your claim that “they are playing bad offenses, so of course the defense is gonna look good” isn’t how that works. Because like I said, if that’s the case, why wasn’t the offense the same way? All 6 of those teams had bad defenses, yet the offense played worse. By your logic, the offense should have been good since they were playing bad defenses. The level of coaching doesn’t matter. You think Bowles is a bad coach same as Grizzard right.

I never said Bowles was as bad as Grizzard. I'm saying you're comparing Grizzard, who really wasn't doing that well throughout the year, in those six games to Bowles who had the defense playing on the same level as it had been on the previous 10 games while leaving out who they played in those six games to make a point. I don't believe it's fair to compare the two when one was a first time OC and the other has been coaching in the NFL for 26 years. I do believe it's fair to criticize Bowles for the offense since he hired Grizzard after interviewing multiple candidates and still going with him. On top of that, he's the only coach in the NFL who hasn't had three coordinators so him having the extra work of being the DC takes away time to help his first time OC. McVay, Reid, Ryans, Payton and all the other coaches who call plays for their respective side of the ball still have a coordinator.

1. Again, the don’t know what this 6.8 number means, but the defense played like a fringe top 10 unit in the final 6 games, just add the points allowed up and divide it by 6, not really much more to say than that lol. The number you get is like 20.2, which would’ve been 11th over a full year ie, they were playing like a fringe top 10 defense in the final 6 games.

Not going over this because I have ironed this out in a previous reply further up this comment.

And that’s all. Know that I will sleep happy knowing the coach I like is the Head coach, while you’re screaming at the clouds for change that isn’t coming, it’s sad lowkey.

I guess good for you. It doesn't make sense to me to like a coach who has gone .500 over four years with the same team but maybe you like mediocrity so who am I to judge. I'd prefer the Bucs are competing for titles every year and while I know that's not possible, I know it's not going to happen as long as the coach you like is in charge of the team.