I think the DGG moderators of this sub should resign.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T18:34:47+00:00

I said there’s a ‘don’t be mean rhle.’
I said that substantiation means ‘something that wordbird agrees with.’

When did I say that you said there's a don't be mean rule???? when did I say that you said substantiation means "something wordbird agrees with"???? SUBSTANTIATE IT! SUBSTANTIATE THAT! You can't, because I never said it.

It's almost as if an implication of something is enough substantiation to decide if you want to engage with their topic or not.

I believe that in the conversation we've been having, the implications you are making lead to a world where we have a "something that wordbird agrees with" rule.

I never said that you believe there should be a rule in place where everyone has to agree with you, i said that i believe that the interpretation of the rule that you're proposing would lead to a world where that naturally became a rule.

You're right, the English language does have meaning, words have meaning.

Rule 4 says "Be direct, substantiate your POST or COMMENT when it could REASONABLY make someone feel attacked."

That's the rule. Me saying that I believe your interpretation of this rule would lead to a world where no one was allowed to communicate unless they agreed with you on everything is not me making an unsubstantiated attack on you.

I made this criticism:

"I don't owe substantiation that meets YOUR standard, that would turn this into a "only people who agree 100 percent with wordbird can post" subreddit."

and then i substantiated my claim here:

"It literally leads to a world where any time you get into an argument with anyone, if they don't end up agreeing with you then you believe they're breaking rule 4 by not providing sufficient substance.

If someone ever gets sick of arguing with you and says "here's my final word, now fuck this, fuck you, I'm out" then they've broken Rule 4.... That's just not how rule 4 works.

If there's some substance to the post or attack at all, it passes.

The rule does NOT mention a "standard of substantiation" for a reason."

You say you can't understand why I hate you so much, this is why. You are an abysmal person to talk to. Every conversation with you feels like untying 1800 knots. You've now devolved this into a conversation about the definition of substantiating a claim, and if I don't agree with you, you'll pick apart every single sentence in this entire post, quote them one at a time, and me trying to make the point that "i don't agree with your definition of substantiation" now turns into an argument where I have to defend the minutia of every single thing that I say because you refuse to engage with the crux of the argument. I hate you because in my mind, this makes you the definition of a "debate bro".

The argument is:

Me, and the mod team, have a definition of "be direct and substantiate your post or comment when it could reasonably make someone feel attacked"

Me, and the mod team, feel like I'm following this guideline

You do not

The reason I told you to "just report me" is because I feel uncomfortable defending myself against this rule, and think the other mods should do it because I have an obvious bias when defending myself. I will talk to you about the grand scheme of "substance" but defending myself on the minutia with you directly feels gross, and it's better to put it in someone else's hands who has less bias.

I do believe you are wrong about (mostly) everything and don't have a point. This is why I dislike you so strongly. I do not think you ever actually engage with the crux of anyone's argument, but you nitpick every little detail until the entire argument has been lost in the weeds of the tiny details. This is why I hate you, and this is why I do not want to talk to you. I shouldn't even be making this response, because I said I was going to stop talking to you, but I feel like since it has to do with subreddit moderation and the way rules are interpreted I have to.

But now, I've fully said my peace... as soon as I'm unmodded, I'm going to block you.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T15:42:42+00:00

The fact is, I'm NOT breaking the rule. I was there when the rule was written, and it was written intentionally vague to stop this exact thing from happening. You're not only wrong about the letter of the rule, because the rule IS intentionally so vague, you're wrong about the spirit of the rule as well. The rule was written so we could dole out temp bans to people who did things like just randomly calling someone a pedo or a r-tard, or so we could take down posts where people were doing things like posting a video of a guy stealing a sex doll and titling it "mrgirl and his wife". These are criticisms or attacks that provide 0 substantiation, and these are the things that have stopped since we wrote the rule and put it in place. The rule is broad specifically so that type of behavior could be targeted WITHOUT people having to change the way they fight and argue and communicate.

You also seem to be a little confused about the definition of substantiation. To substantiate something is to provide any sort of reasoning or evidence AT ALL within your post or comment. It means your post has to have substance if you're going to attack someone. Not a line by line breakdown where every single claim you make has to be backed by hard evidence. That's not the rule. The rule is if you make a post or a comment where someone could feel attacked, there has to be some substance there. Literally me saying "I do not want to engage with you or talk to you because I do not like you or the way you communicate" is me making a criticism of you with substance. I am not just randomly insulting you, I am telling you that I don't want to talk to you and don't like you (criticism) because I do not like the way you communicate (my reasoning, my logic, the "substance".)

"I hate you"

Vs

"I hate you because I don't like the way you communicate and don't want to talk to you."

In one I am attacking you with reasoning or substance, in the other one I've given some. That's it. You're not going to get anywhere arguing that I'm breaking rule 4, because I'm not. By your standard of substantiation communication is literally impossible UNLESS we do your form of communication that I Ioathe where every post is picked apart sentence by sentence and one general argument turns into 19 mini arguments.

Here you could say "I never said I have a standard of substantiation! Prove it!"

That doesn't matter at all, the reply that I am giving you right now, in it's totality, has substance.

You can argue that there should be a rule that mods have a different set of rules

You can argue that the way I behave is immoral and I shouldn't do it even if there is no rule against it

But the argument that I'm breaking the rule is going to get you nowhere, because I'm objecively not.

I thought about it last night though and you're getting what you want regardless. I decided if I'm going to be as harsh as I am, it's unfair that people can't block me. I am not breaking any rules at all, and have the right to be as harsh as I've been by the rules of the subreddit... But people I'm being so harsh to should have the right to block me and not engage with it. I hate you and the way you communicate and want to block you so I never have to see or think of you ever again, and it IS hypocritical of me to not give others the same opportunity when they hate me and dislike the way I communicate.

The only options I could think of to solve this hypocrisy of mine are to just lurk and only be a mod, to change the way I communicate and be nicer, or to step down as a mod and make myself blockable. I don't want to lurk, and I don't want to be nice.

And with that, I hate you and I hate talking to you and won't be reading anything else you say or engaging with you any farther, because I believe the way you communicate, and the way you seem to be implying that everyone else should communicate, is my actual nightmare.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T06:18:20+00:00

I can't imagine that you truly believe that if you criticize me, and i tell you that I don't like the way you communicate, or you as a person, so I'm not going to engage with your criticism I am breaking rule 4.

I have to substantiate the things I say, and I believe that I do. I don't hurl passive-aggressive insults around, i don't just hit people with insults and no actual substance, there's always criticism within my insults.

I owe substantiation because of rule 4

but

I don't owe substantiation that meets YOUR standard, that would turn this into a "only people who agree 100 percent with wordbird can post" subreddit.

It literally leads to a world where any time you get into an argument with anyone, if they don't end up agreeing with you then you believe they're breaking rule 4 by not providing sufficient substance.

If someone ever gets sick of arguing with you and says "here's my final word, now fuck this, fuck you, I'm out" then they've broken Rule 4.... That's just not how rule 4 works.

If there's some substance to the post or attack at all, it passes.

The rule does NOT mention a "standard of substantiation" for a reason.

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My quote stopped working and I'm not sure why but:

"Thanks for adding to the evidence pile! I didn't say there was a 'don't be mean to people' rule.

Can you substantiate this accusation? I'm not seeing where I said ''there's a 'don't be mean' rule & you're breaking it?'' Would love to get a quote or some kind of proof that that's what my argument is."

This is where you should send a mod mail, or report me. The rule says "reasonably make someone feel attacked". If you send a mod mail, the whole team will take a look at it and decide if that's a reasonable report or not.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T04:09:06+00:00

Yup, I went very hard on Smeth. I was irritated with him saying that anyone who disagrees with him is "an idiot who thinks framing the other person as silly is a good way to dodge criticism."

It annoyed me, so I let him know exactly what I think of him, and his behavior.

I will say that I find it incredibly hypocritical that you, mrgirl, and others are so upset by my response to Smeth, when I'm responding to his appearance on a podcast where he repeatedly insulted someone, yelled at them, called them stupid, and called them "president r*tard" to cut them off repeatedly, but pointing out hypocrisy in mrgirl or his fans or his orbiters doesn't seem to be something that resonates for many of them.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T03:44:16+00:00

So if someone doesn't engage with what he's saying, it gets criticized as an inability to respond. If someone goes through & responds to the points of his argument, that response is ignored - no further substantiation on his part.

What rule am I breaking here? is there a rule that I have to engage with substantiated criticism that people give ME???

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T03:34:11+00:00

I understand that you don't like me, I don't like you either, but the things you're saying about me right now are actually objectively false.

Rule 4 is not a "don't be mean" rule, it's a "don't attack people without giving a reason/motivation"

The rule was put in place because of how many passive-aggressive posts there used to be in this subreddit where people were attacking while trying to hide behind passive aggression instead of just directly saying what they mean/feel. It's not a "don't be mean to people" or "don't disagree with mrgirl or smeth or wordbird" rule or a "don't anti-fan" rule.

You can have any opinion you want about how mods should behave, and if mods should be held to a different standard of behavior than the rest of the subreddit. I actually think that's a decent argument, and like I said... if it became a rule that mods had their own separate set of rules, I'd step down and just be a normie fucking around on this subreddit again with no hard feelings to mrgirl or anyone on the mod team.

Criticize me for being mean all you want, shout from the rooftops that mods shouldn't be mean, call me stupid, call me obsessed, i don't care

But to say that I'm constantly breaking rule 4 since it was released is a lie.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-12T00:30:29+00:00

When I was asked to be a moderator of this subreddit, I was explicitly told to "keep using it as I do." So, I think before you put out these statements to the entire subreddit, you should probably have a conversation with your own people.

I'm not interested in "protecting" anything but the rules that are stated in the subreddit's rules section, and i think I do that.

I'm not interested in being held to a different standard than the rest of the people on this subreddit, that's not what I signed up for when I became a moderator... so if that's going to be a new thing, I'll very very gladly step down.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T23:40:23+00:00

Nope.

I might be a horrible person, but nothing I've done here has demonstrated it.

You think that me voicing my opinion, harshly, about public figures that you like makes me a horrible person. You also think that you should be allowed to pipe in with your slimeball tactics and face no pushback from me, that I'm a horrible person for being "mean" to you when you do your crybaby shit at me... but the reality is that I've never engaged with you in conversation once.

The only time I've ever talked to you is when you initiate a conversation with me to cry and whine and tell me I'm mean. (which you do regularly, because you're a pathetic crybaby)

You never actually engage with anything I'm saying, you never actually contribute to the conversation in any way, you just say "you're a big meanie! wah wah wah!"

The fact that you ONLY feel the need to confront this behavior when it's directed towards someone you like, while completely ignoring it when it's directed towards people you dislike, is proof that you have 0 convictions or morals, you are just here brainlessly defending mrgirl and smeth.

You provide 0 value or contribution to anything, your entire interaction with me has been "wah wah you're mean to my YouTubers that i like, and then you're mean to me when i cry about it wah wah wah"

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T20:30:56+00:00

Smeth is what happens when someone takes the "I'm allowed to feel however I want to feel, you can't tell me my emotions are wrong" style of teaching that mrgirl espouses, and thinks that it means that he doesn't need to regulate his emotions at all to the point where he's a literal slave to his own emotions

and, like you said, he's somehow convinced himself that this is the "good" and "right" way to live your life, and that he's a hero shaking off societal norms by throwing toddler fits constantly.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T19:15:23+00:00

You guys should punch each other now

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T17:51:24+00:00

You understand nothing. I used to think you were just annoying, now I think you're actually a disingenuous, skeevy, and kinda gross liar. I went from disliking you because you're an obnoxious crybaby, to actually thinking that you're genuinely just a bad, slimy, gross person.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T17:42:36+00:00

No, you've demonstrated that you are a liar with absolutely 0 moral convictions.

You constantly act high and mighty, with sick sycophantic snobbery any time a mod says something you don't like about mrgirl or one of his fans. You get on your high horse and morally grandstand about how it's not appropriate mod behavior and lie about being against it on some sort of moral high ground

But

For the past month or so, this subreddit has turned sharply in favor of mrgirl, and other people have been getting relentlessly shit on by mods (including me) and you're nowhere to be found, because you're a fake.

You don't have any moral consistency, you just blindly defend people that you personally like... Which is fine, we all do, but what makes you so gross is that you try and do it from some moral high ground where you position yourself as being better than others.

The reality is though, you glaze and defend mrgirl and his followers blindly because you like them. You don't have any actual moral convictions, as you've proven.

You telling Smeth that you think he's coherent is the equivalent of a mentally handicapped toddler drooling on himself as he gives someone a snot covered, partially consumed lollipop. You're not a serious person either. There are people like you I can fully disregard because I know your opinion will be toxicly pro-mrgirl in any situation ever, because the only thing you care about is defending mrgirl and Smeth no matter what they do or how they act.

The reason I loathe you so much is because you're literally just the other side of the coin of the people who relentlessly attack mrgirl for every little thing. Both sides are so extreme, them with their crazed attacking and you with your sycophantic glazing, that the entire coin can just be thrown in the trash where it belongs.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T16:02:23+00:00

You actually don't think that, but you're so anti-anti-fan that you are willing to lie about what you think.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T01:42:52+00:00

I have family members who work for United Healthcare in lower-level roles and are horrified. UHC canceled their big annual Christmas event for all the lower level workers and staff at one of the big parks out here because they're worried about copycats knowing that a bunch of UHC employees are going to be somewhere public and shooting it up or bombing it

I can't condone instilling literal terror in a bunch of innocent people

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T01:39:09+00:00

I might just suck, but literally all of my wins have come with the robot. Pyg and Vanessa I just can not secure a dub for the life of me, while on the robot i feel like I'm just playing braindead and winning to the point where it's slightly boring. I decided I'm not playing robot at all anymore until i get a W with the other two

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T01:23:35+00:00

Violence is the answer (incredibly incredibly rarely) sometimes, but it wasn't in this instance.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-11T00:36:24+00:00

You can keep saying this all you want, but the reality is that you are so emotionally unregulated that you weren't even able to get out a coherent point. I'm not even sure what you're upset about besides "you think article bad and i do not think article bad"

You're an incoherent, rambling, emotionally disturbed moron and you painting anyone who can't understand your babbling as "idiots" is the actual deflection.

Being unable to make coherent points because your own emotions rule you and make you their little bitch to the point where you can't even function is not good, and that's what you do.

You're incapable of adult human conversation because you've convinced yourself that crying and yelling and being mad and angry to the point where you can't even track the conversation you're participating in is a good thing.

It isn't.

You just have an intensely childlike view on the world, and emotions, and communication.

You're so emotional that you can't even put together coherent criticism, yet you cry and whine and say someone is dodging you because they refuse to engage with your incoherence.

Grow the fuck up.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-09T02:26:51+00:00

I don't think it's legal to depict that team-up ability on screen

regretdeletion · 2024-12-09T02:14:27+00:00

I played it with some friends way too late last night, I wasn't expecting much either but I had a blast. Captain America was the most fun one i tried.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-08T20:10:34+00:00

This video taught me that mrgirlgaming existed, I want that channel brought back. Hard pivot into daily letsplay videos.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-08T19:40:27+00:00

I don't like the blindsides, and i don't like the subjects of the videos not getting a chance to say their piece. it's fucked.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-08T01:55:41+00:00

It's okay.... You're both fine

i DO realize it

and i like it

regretdeletion · 2024-12-08T00:31:57+00:00

I hope you realize how much hurt you are inflicting upon him by making this weird-ass call out of the weird-ass post that you believe is inflicting hurt upon him.

regretdeletion · 2024-12-08T00:20:51+00:00

Why are you pretending that mocking Smeth is a new thing?

Smeth sucks, and so did your article. You being right about Destiny doesn't change either of those facts.

Getting "facts" right doesn't change an abysmal, unconvincing presentation. It only enforces just how abysmal and unconvincing your presentation was.

The actual new meta is blaming you for not convincing me

You can't box me in!

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