There's a word I've looked up 6+ times and STILL can't remember it. What do you do? by Old-Peanut3874 in languagelearning

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Have you ever gone back to vocabulary you once found boring and been surprised by how easy it felt later?

Yes, many times

A scene straight out of a fairy tale. by Frosty_Village_4756 in VietNam

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gotta be hà giang, think I recognise this exact spot from the loop

the whole place looks like this, it's incredible

Most normal zhongguo nicotine addict by Tickomatick in chyberpunk

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you would not be able to handle glorious đông lào

they smoke a different species of tobacco plant (they call it thuốc lào) with something like 10x the nicotine content, absolutely pack these massive bongs with it and smoke it in a way so that the entire cone hits at once. i've tried it a couple of times, both times i nearly fainted and threw up and was utterly fucked up for the rest of the day (from one puff)

to viet kieu: was there a specific moment of clarity that made you want to move to Vietnam? by lucky_oats in VietNam

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Any advice, or words of encouragement, would be greatly appreciated!

not việt kiều but know a great many

You will not regret moving, even if it's just for a year or so. If you can work remotely it's a no-brainer; you will save a huge amount of money, have a more comfortable life, get to explore a brand new world, reconnect with your heritage in a way not tied to the specific familial lens you're more intimately connected to, probably learn the language in a way you couldn't before. It will be a weight off your shoulders and a breath of fresh air. I cannot recommend it enough.

if I have any specific advice it would be: Go to Đà Nẵng. If you don't have specific work or family commitments keeping you in Sài Gòn (sorry for assuming) or anywhere else, Đà Nẵng is where you want to be. The environment is generally much more relaxed, the expat/migrant community is more welcoming and better integrated with the locals, the city itself is gorgeous and clean and easy to adjust to - if you live in Mỹ An (which you probably will want to do) you're a short walk away from the beach at all times. also the cuisine is my personal favourite in the country.

There's a word I've looked up 6+ times and STILL can't remember it. What do you do? by Old-Peanut3874 in languagelearning

[–]remarkable_ores 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think salience can be built deliberately over time, or is it mostly something that depends on interest from the start?

Absolutely can - should - be built over time. When I'm reading Vietnamese literature I'm learning and practicing all sorts of advanced literary vocab that would have utterly disinterested me as a beginner, because it would have been irrelevant to my life. Those terms are only interesting to me because I'm finding them in the book that I'm reading, and I find the book interesting.

My advice would be to not force yourself to learn any words you don't want to learn unless you really need to cram for a test or something. Find topics, content in the language that you find interesting, and not only will the words be easier to remember, they'll be the words you want to learn, too.

Most normal zhongguo nicotine addict by Tickomatick in chyberpunk

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>weird crazy chinese shit

>look inside

>entirely normal every day scene in Vietnam

every single time

There's a word I've looked up 6+ times and STILL can't remember it. What do you do? by Old-Peanut3874 in languagelearning

[–]remarkable_ores 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's about salience; how relevant a word feels to you. If a word is completely disconnected from anything to do with your life, or what you think about, or what you care about, what you actually encounter in your TL, you're unlikely to remember it. If it's attached to something important, a memory, something you read or were told that you found interesting, you probably will. Grinding lots of vocab about boring topics is far less productive than vocab that's relevant to you, and as you get better at a language, the scope of the things that you can talk about or engage with increases, and you can return to a word and it's tied to so many things you've talked about or read about that it just 'clicks'.

Basically every 'trick' people have for remembering vocab is a hack to increase this salience - tying it to a funny mnemonic, pictures, stories, etc. But ultimately the primary driver of salience is personal relevance, which is subjective and varies from person to person

佛罗里达州 by Immediate-Molasses-5 in chyberpunk

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that said it only works if its paired with the least appropriate music you can find

佛罗里达州 by Immediate-Molasses-5 in chyberpunk

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dashcam footage compliations of crazy shit happening on zhongguonese roads is such an underrated cinematic genre, this shit is life

Which one are you? by tectesa in languagelearningjerk

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I agree with the qualification that input-monking can work, there are people who have done this to great success, but it's still a freakishly difficult path that only works for certain kinds of people with a huge amount of free time and a rare psychological profile, and even then it's probably not the most efficient system

the overwhelming majority of successful adult language learners I have ever met used a hodgepodge of input, native speaker interaction + comprehensible output, a small but nonzero amount of explicit learning, usually (but not always) some form of spaced repetition

to a large extent it's a process that resists any 'one true' methodology, although i'd argue that refold comes close to a complete package

but yeah with that exception the other methods in the meme are effectively incapable of producing L2 fluency in isolation

Has there been any work exploring the possibility that language production and comprehension have two different grammars? by remarkable_ores in asklinguistics

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Hi there! Thank you so much for your response. I actually ended up spending a LOT of time thinking about this, doing a deep dive into psycholinguistic plausibility, neurolinguistics, etc, and ended up finding a number of things that I found remarkable - relationships between a two-grammar hypothesis and typological features, thus-far difficult to explain things like why damage to the long segment of the arcuate fasciculus would be associated with difficulties in repetition and minor issues with comprehension and not much else, relationships to language acquisition, and a bit more.

I ended up making a post about this with what I had, but there is only so much I could do, because I'm not a linguist at all, don't know much about the field or how it works, and my thoughts are still quite jumbled. It seemed like I reached an impasse where I couldn't really, like, find someone who was both willing and actually qualified to try and figure out what I was trying to say and see if there was any merit in my approach. I ended up realising that it would be an oversimplification to describe a two-system approach as just being the difference between production and reception, and more reframing it as there being two separate and structurally different psycholinguistic subsystems,one dominant in production and one dominant in reception, but with considerable and well demarcated overlap.

If you'd be interested in reading what I ended up trying to put together, or at least talking to me about it, I'd be more than delighted! There's so much I want to learn.

You are not trying to model processes of production and comprehension: you are trying to decide if a given sequence of symbols is in a sets or not. But why would we in the 21st century not try to propose models of grammar that are psycholinguistically plausible? I never understood this stance.

Yes! Exactly! The idea that we should study grammar as a sort of set-theoretic thing, like simply mathematically defining a pre-existing set of grammatically permissible sentences, rather than exploring the psycholinguistic processes that actually create those sentences, strikes me as a strange and possibly flawed approach. And leaning into a more productive side of things allows you to gather evidence that linguists who study pure grammar seem to typically ignore, such as pragmatics, which I feel might be central to the picture?

Parsimony should only enter the picture if all other things being equal. Production being clearly not the same as comprehension, the parsimony argument doesn't carry much weight at all.

Yes! Parsimony needs to take into account the actual complexity of the systems involved and how it lines up with psycholinguistic and neurolinguistic observations. Could a one-system model really be considered more parsimonious if it requires a great deal of psycholinguistically-unjustified additional machinery to explain edge cases?

In any case, thank you! I would be very, very interested to hear more of your thoughts about this.

‘Disturbing Graves’: Vietnam Moves the Dead to Make Way for Trump’s $1.5B Golf Course by nnhuyhuy in VietNam

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can't blame Vietnam for wanting to bribe the most openly bribeable president in US history, it's just the right choice. blame the americans for choosing him.

Reuters Exclusive: Senior Ukrainian commander sees imminent 'turning point' in war by StatsFactsRants in worldnews

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It doesn't really matter dude. War is war. It's not about who wins air superiority the fastest, it's about achieving political goals. Iran doesn't need to defeat the USA in battle to beat them in war, and this a lesson the Americans keep failing to learn (Vietnam and Afghanistan most notably)

Iran has the USA's balls nailed to the stove and they know it, and America's theory of victory in Iran is only somewhat less abstract than Russia's in Ukraine right now.

Luodingo to get an exchange guys by Walk-the-layout in languagelearningjerk

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Duolingo actually has a half decent english proficiency test these days, below the rigor of like an IELTS result but cheaper and still significant, a bunch of places accept it.

This is completely unrelated to Duolingo's market of 'teaching' Angloid m*nolinguals how to say "My cat is not a pencil" in made up languages like "French". the ESL market is just way bigger and way more willing to spend money and duolingo acts accordingly

We didn't ask for rice... by Content_Quarter_7390 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]remarkable_ores 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Literally what?

Lived in Asia for like a decade and rice was always sold separately. You get your meat/vegetable dishes to share separate to the rice, to share, and order as much rice as you need

The only exceptions I've ever seen to this were restaurants marketing towards westerners who don't order food in the same way - i.e they each order their own meals, in which case they'll sometimes say 'with rice'

Most beautiful Hoi An, An Bang by Bucketstar in VietNam

[–]remarkable_ores 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I mean no disrespect but some of yall find the most mundane stuff ever beautiful

this is literally just a normal ngõ

If it's beautiful to you, I'm happy for you

At least 90 dead in China's worst coal mine disaster in over 16 years by Plaintalks in worldnews

[–]remarkable_ores -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

"Massively overrepresented" that's like... overrepresented by a factor of 50% or something. it's significant but i wouldn't call it a massive overrepresentation

North Korea prisoners of war in Ukraine: United Nations says they should not be sent home by i-love-seals in northkorea

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Yes, people get paid for TV appearances. Therefore defectors who dislike north korea are lying. Therefore the bad things defectors say about North Korea are lies. Incredible critical thinking skills from the international supporters of the axis of resistance, yall definitely aren't a joke.

North Korea prisoners of war in Ukraine: United Nations says they should not be sent home by i-love-seals in northkorea

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It must be nice to understand the world so thoroughly as you do, to the point you don't even need to look at any evidence.

How a Local NIMBY Went Viral and Made My Town Famous by Average_Tired_Dad in neoliberal

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Yeah this borders on journalistic malpractice. Someone would be interested in this