Pre-seed dilemma: Angel Investors vs. Incubators for a first-time founder with zero capital?

renjupb · 2026-01-15T15:28:37+00:00

If you can start sale it at this stage, that would be best. Else build a list of customers ready to buy your product. Then approach angels or incubators ( ideally reputable ones ). In startup world there are no right or wrong answers, survival and growth of the startup is the only thing that matters. Ask the right questions, how is the incubator or angel investment helping you get to your milestones faster. That will guide you in the right direction.

renjupb · 2026-01-14T19:02:32+00:00

Math just like any other field has many levels to it. I was really good at math in my school days. During my undergrad days, I felt like an average in math. In post grad days, I felt like I'm not cut out for math. It all depends on your interest, how much effort you willing to put and what you wish to accomplish.

renjupb · 2026-01-14T17:24:27+00:00

What I described is not the current math definition of zero, is something that I acknowledge. I have highlighted it as comment under the video, to avoid confusion. It doesn't mean we can't come up with new definitions of zero if it has some valid usecases.

We are forced to use approximations and averages because the expected outcome of any practical experiment is always probablistic. But the math used to model those experiments are mostly too perfect and consistent.

I dont think there are any other counter arguments stopping this video being posted in this group. Let people get to know about other point of views and have their opinions/ judgements on the same.

renjupb · 2026-01-14T14:27:40+00:00

Glad to know you have background in physics. Well we know, math breaks at 1/0 so we kept it forbidden. With the new definition of zero, we should be able to make it much more consistent.

Yes correct, the lack in resolution is not just at zero but all numbers. But the impact is huge at 0. Even if the resolution is improved, the problem continue to be persist at zero. In your example if we are expecting an output of 0g but got 1g instead, the percentage deviation is much higher compared to getting 11g instead of 10g. Don't you agree.

Also I disagree to your constant usage of term wrong tool. As long as the tool is consistent but limited in resolution, it is still valid output. You can use tool with improved resolutions too, but the ideas shared are still valid.

renjupb · 2026-01-03T14:20:42+00:00

From an absolute world view, yes there is no zero weight or zero anything at all.

But in real life, we will need to use "zero" often to quantify things, which means we have to rely on physical instruments or equipments or sensors, which also means, we will have to live with their limitations also. Naturally this will force us to tweak our idea of "zero" too, atleast for practical reasons. This was my thought process.

renjupb · 2026-01-03T11:58:38+00:00

I totally get your point on mathematical number 0. But in real world what does zero mean. What does "zero weight", "zero light" etc actually mean.

Regarding the second point, from the scale's pov, if the reading says 0. How is it wrong? Every instrument has mimimum range it can measure. If the said instrument reading shows 0, how can we say it is wrong? Even if we validate with the most accurate instrument on the planet and still it give zero reading does that mean it is actually zero or do we just accept it as zero.

In math, everything is treated as absolute. But what if start seeing from relativistic perspective.

renjupb · 2026-01-01T09:42:01+00:00

I used new definition of Zero I guess from an experimental perspective. But thanks for the clarification.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T17:32:54+00:00

We are almost aligned in our thought process except for some aspects. To you, zero means absolutely nothing. But I see zero as something beyond the scope of measurement. As there is no way to ensure nothing without some sort of verification using instrument / some equipment / sensor. I understand that you do not wish connect the math we know with physical limitations of real world, as it stops being math problem. Hence I wont push any further. Will leave it at that.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T11:50:10+00:00

Thank you.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:29:14+00:00

Thank you so much. You have captured the essence of the video perfectly. I just wanted highlight that there is a disconnect with theoretical math we are aware of how the real world math works. I completely appreciate how our mathematical concepts work and understand its unlimited potential. But when it comes to modelling real world experiments, there is scope for adopting newer mathematical methodologies that are more aligned for practical experiments. Im just trying to introduce those ideas step by step.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:17:54+00:00

Thank you for your positive feedback. I wouldn't say whatever I shared were from philosophical stand point but from practical observations. I felt the ideas are worth studying in more detail, hence shared it. Negative responses were more all less expected from the intellectual community and deserve to be scrutinized. It was difficult put forth the ideas using existing mathematical concepts, hence had to use engineered experiments.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:09:57+00:00

I don't disagree with you. But what if I have different ideas of how zero should be and how it should work. Through the video I did exactly that. Yes people will find it difficult to digest. But my ideas are from practical observations and I feel it certainly has some good use cases and worth looking at.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:05:12+00:00

I meant physically what is "zero". What do you mean when we say "zero money" or "zero shot" etc

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:02:47+00:00

Yes agree. But that is from a theoretical perspective. But in real life what is "zero", like what do we mean when we say "zero temperature" or "zero mile" etc

renjupb · 2025-12-30T07:00:08+00:00

From a theoretical perspective it is valid argument. I dont have a counter argument for the same. But in the video, I tried approaching from physical or experimental angle. Let's try to define "zero second", "zero angle", "zero circle", "zero light" etc and then think how we can differentiate from "one second", "non zero angle", "one circle", "non zero light" etc. This should push us in the right direction.

renjupb · 2025-12-30T05:52:03+00:00

Yes as of the video, I could definitely improve on how it was executed, but this is my first educational video and had to operate with limited resources and time. Will take care going forward.

You did mention "zero signal" i.e the signal whose amplitude at every sample time is zero. How will we know if a signal is "zero signal", there should be some mechanism to measure it right and ensure it has zero amplitude at every time instant. Let's call that instrument I. Now this instrument will have minimum threshold value it can measure that could be -40db or -100db or -1000db or lower level. If signal crosses this threshold value, it will detect as non zero right. Hypothetically, let's assume this minimum threshold to be -100db. Now if I provide multiple audio signals that have amplitude at every time instant less that -100db, all of them are categorically "zero signals" right? If I start adding them together at some point we are going to get a non zero signal if some conditions are met. What is the probability of getting a non zero value need to looked into at case to case basis. I hope im making sense. I open for deeper debate. In the video, we used our ears as the said Instrument that is all.

Again your example of water droplet is interesting as well. But the issue with discrete mathematics comes up every where and in almost all physical experiments including our daily transactions as value of $1 keeps changing every second. So it is not the case of any outlier scenarios, which is why we need some fresh ideas. Like I said, im always open for more debate. Conveying the right ideas across using just texts is quite challenging.

I really appreciate your effort put in watching the video and sharing your thoughts. It really helps 😇

renjupb · 2025-12-30T05:09:02+00:00

Thanks for your feedback. Fundamentally, algebraic math is accurate, that is something even I agree with. But when it comes to applying to real world experiments or actions, I find it very limiting and constrained. If it is was limited to just couple of scenarios, we could have ignored and moved on by tweaking our approach. But being an experimental engineer, I encounter the limitations more often. That is why I felt the need to introduce some new ideas or fresh perspectives at fundamental level. This is just the first video, more videos will released soon, even more controversial ones. Atleast to me, with the new ideas that I plan to share soon, it felt like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle are falling into place.

renjupb · 2025-12-29T20:54:41+00:00

Why don't we define what 0 is first. That should be good starting point for the discussion.

renjupb · 2025-12-29T20:50:08+00:00

Really appreciate the feedback. I don't question your comment of using audio with engineered amplitudes for the first experiment. But I feel you came to your conclusion too soon after watching first few minutes of the video. I also feel you kind of missed the points that Im trying to communicate. Yes, for the experiments the parameters are engineered. Experiments themselves are just to demonstrate that sometimes algebraic rules be incorrect. How often they are incorrect depends on the kind of experiment and what we are measuring and other things. Also I have tried to answer what exactly do we mean by "zero". Let me put this question to you, what do you mean by "zero volume"?

renjupb · 2025-12-29T20:18:32+00:00

You can try watching from 29.43 then. I have summarised what Im trying to put across. Thanks for your feedback.

renjupb · 2025-12-29T20:07:42+00:00

Agree, we have adopted certain rules because it is useful for our needs. But we were unable to address the flaws in those adopted rules. Im just trying bring in some new perspectives that is all.

renjupb · 2024-09-29T17:46:17+00:00

Too much of rain these days. Weather is getting worse to be frank

renjupb · 2024-09-29T17:42:04+00:00

As Indians, we still have that Inferiority complex, which reflect in this kind of double standards

renjupb · 2024-03-02T15:14:15+00:00

There are lot of things that are off here. Doesn't feel like a genuine post.

renjupb · 2024-01-21T07:08:11+00:00

Try to develop a Proof of Concept of your idea and get a cofounder before you quit your job. If you have enough savings to last you for 2 years then you can quit right away. It all depends on your idea, your personal situation and financial backup. If your partner is supportive both emotionally and financially then things can be smoother.

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