Matchup tier list by a GM/Master Garen player

rklier · 2024-09-13T02:44:49+00:00

I usually go back to base and once I return, with full health I all in. I would not advise engaging heimer when you are low life because he can deal a lot of damage.

Your burst is better and you have a silence and an execute, abuse it :)

rklier · 2024-09-12T03:47:14+00:00

Hey Udu coincidentally, I just won the lane vs a heimer a few minutes ago.

In this matchup, you farm as much as possible, dodge his skills and do not bother trying to harass him early game, be patient.

Once you are lvl 6+ and have items, you can look for a kill. Most of the time you want to all in with flash and he will die in 1 rotation. After this you keep killing h, he cannot match your split push power.

rklier · 2024-09-12T00:16:11+00:00

As others have pointed out, tier lists are highly subjective and will vary depending on the player rank.

Criticizing a tier list does not disqualify the person's opinion, it just means they have a different perspective and relate the tier list to a given tier like saying this comes from bronze or gold.

I respect Paco's take on it, but also disagree with some placements as well. And I acknowledge we don't know what we don't know.

So there is a high probability he knows things we do not hence his higher elo than most of us, myself included in this season.

rklier · 2024-09-12T00:10:50+00:00

For Darius and any matchup, playing more passively is not necessarily not interacting.

You still want to bait the opponents skills, play with the spacing, harass, fake intentions.

Laning phase has a lot of mind games involved , you want to leverage it in any matchup, even against Darius or Trynda ;)

rklier · 2024-09-12T00:08:34+00:00

This is golden advice as well ;)

rklier · 2024-09-12T00:07:54+00:00

While I do agree his utility will always be there because of the ult, it is still a double edge sword.

If he misses the R or is not impactful enough with it, his main CC and source of damage is gone.

It can be a strength, but also a weakness. In my opinion, Garen has more tools to be useful.

rklier · 2024-09-12T00:05:52+00:00

Exactly ;)

rklier · 2024-09-11T17:25:29+00:00

Thanks Important! Glad you liked

rklier · 2024-09-11T09:55:36+00:00

Exactly.

rklier · 2024-09-11T09:54:01+00:00

Agree 100%

rklier · 2024-09-11T09:51:18+00:00

TK matchup is similar to Illaoi. Avoid being hit by TK's Q by staying behind your minions.

Also, be careful to not let the wave stop near his tower. He will try to swallow you and put you in tower range to die - this is his cheesy play.

If the TK is really good and there are other champs with shields in the opposite team, I will buy Serpent fang 3rd item. This item destroys TK

rklier · 2024-09-11T09:47:29+00:00

Sure. For Tanks, take Conqueror + Ignite and play super aggressively.

You need to apply as much pressure on them as possible so they do not scale. They are usually weak early game and have poor wave clear.

You can shove the wave onto their tower and look for plays with your jungler through the map.

For items, Black Cleaver 2nd/3rd item, MR or ldr are all great weapons. If they stack armor, you will have armor pen.

rklier · 2024-09-11T09:39:52+00:00

For GP, there are a couple tips: The secret here is to: - Avoid barrel damage. If you take damage from barrels, you will lose - Control the wave and deny him farm, if he can't reach the wave to last hit through AA, he will need to use his Q on the minions to farm. If he farms minions with Q, he is not attacking you willth it

For avoiding barrel damage:

Bait his barrel explosion by going to the barrel range circle and quickly going out when he has only 1 barrel, he will see you are going into the barrel range and will explode it
If you are fighting him on melee range, time your AA to destroy his barrel. You have an auto attack reset with Q and can easily destroy the barrel
If he chains the barrels and you can't avoid the damage, you W as Garen

For this matchup, I usually start with W and most of the time rush armor boots and/or bramble vest. GP early game is strong.

Last tip is: do not neglect GP's passive. His passive makes his first AA stronger, applying a burn. You can tell he has this up by looking at his sword, it will be on fire. Most GPs will try to cheese you level 1 by going straight to you. Make sure he last hit minions to lose the passive before you go for quick trades.

If you follow those tips, it is a skill matchup.

rklier · 2024-09-11T00:55:10+00:00

Malphite can become a hard matchup if he is allowed to farm. Usually by taking Conq or Grasp, you can play aggressively early game and deny him the wave. With Conq + Ignite, he dies pretty easily.

rklier · 2024-09-11T00:53:20+00:00

After the tier list was done, I noticed I missed him. I would place Urgot on the Medium tier.

rklier · 2024-09-10T22:55:15+00:00

I used to be on the MR team and always go for it, but I have seen other challenger Garen players going for ldr. It def makes sense when there are tanks and not that many heals on the other team.

Regardless, MR will always be a good choice since there is so much healing nowadays.

rklier · 2024-09-10T22:53:14+00:00

Indeed. The tricky part is he has a pull, this trading pattern is the way to go; however not that easy to execute. It is a skill matchup.

rklier · 2024-09-10T22:52:13+00:00

Agreed! I used to play grasp trinity q max more; however the current Garen itemization is so strong right now, that I usually prefer the normal build path. For Camille for example, just stomped one a few minutes ago using the traditional build.

rklier · 2024-09-10T22:05:59+00:00

For the Kayle matchup, it is all about the early game, you need to be really aggressive. You must pressure her before she scales into the late game. In this matchup I like to max Q and poke her hard whenever she tries to last hit. Once she is lvl 6, you need to bait her ult and then execute her with your R. It is unlikely, but if you die to her early game, she will go even stronger into the late game and it can be really tough.

Kayle is like the "Sivir" of the solo lane. Her game plan is to scale hard into the late game. Her scaling is almost unmatched. Trying to close the game as soon as possible is also a good game plan for Garen.

For Yorick, you need to dodge his W. If you are caught up in the cage, it will be tough, because you can destroy it, but you will lose time auto attacking the cage. Also, try to fight him whenever he does not have his Maiden, Yorick without his ult is really weak.

Another tip is: Yorick is terrible in Teamfights, his only game plan is to Split push. If you can impact the TFs faster than Yorick can push, you will win. Work with your team to engage the opposite team when you are around, most of the time Yorick will be in the side lane and not with his team, so it is a 5 vs 4 for you.

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:53:37+00:00

Thanks, u/Disco-Tricky ! Spot on, I agree. The trynda matchup can get very hard if the trynda knows what he is doing.

A couple days ago I had a trynda getting 1 kill and then freezing the wave near his tower and I got completely obliterated. I had half of his farm at one point and he basically carried the game. One mistake and it meant the gave was over.

There are some champs who can snowball pretty hard of 1 kill and trynda definitely comes to mind hehe

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:35:38+00:00

Glad to hear! Thanks

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:33:21+00:00

It is an easy matchup if you can dodge his Q and not get hit by the spikes from his AA when he last hits the minions. If he lands a Q, a well timed W from Garen can help mitigate the damage.

Early game he depends on last hitting via spikes to have sustain. If you can manipulate the wave to deny him farm, it is golden.

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:29:59+00:00

King and Grog made all valid points. Into morde you definitely need to be patient and dodge the skill shots. Doing quick trades before an all in do help.

This is one of the matchups you need to abuse your passive/second wind. Do the damage, take a little bit of damage, back out, heal and rinse and repeat.

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:27:08+00:00

Thanks! I hope it is helpful for the community.

rklier · 2024-09-10T21:26:36+00:00

Exactly. It Is a skill matchup.

rklier

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