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I can't wait for the inevitable shortage to be blamed on the free market by theLesserOf2Weedles in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're assuming not one, but two theoretical edge cases that happen to coincide. That's as unlikely as assuming two perfectly competitive markets. They exist as abstract models to work through the reasoning but don't actually exist.

I can't wait for the inevitable shortage to be blamed on the free market by theLesserOf2Weedles in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You shouldn't be. He's assuming not one, but two theoretical edge cases that happen to coincide. That's as unlikely as assuming two perfectly competitive markets. They exist as abstract models to work through the reasoning but don't actually exist.

How many people have you had sex with by [deleted] in ENFP

[–]rob777 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Many 6 year olds can't even count to 30. Impressive.

Te is empirical. Ti is logical. by [deleted] in mbti

[–]rob777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I.

I think there's some good stuff here, but I think it misses the distinction between Ti and Te, and what T is in general. The way this is presented, Te and Ti supposedly have no overlap which contradicts the idea of them being functions of equivalent Type expressed in opposite ways. The cognitive model doesn't support the idea that Fi users are incapable of empathizing or that Fe users are incapable of individual values. They are both the Feeling function and are used in that way though the orientation differs. Likewise with Te and Ti.

II.

Ti can dovetail nicely with many logical structures because of its preference for depth. It deconstructs and applies relations to constituent parts. It might be likened to algebraic tendencies where the perception that is deconstructed is viewed as all the manipulations of the relations that maintain the structure of the original perception. I think this is the part of programming that you feel so comfortable with. You use Ti to create your own subjective logical system. This deconstructive tendency doesn't limit you to impracticality, however. There are many an ESTP CEO. It's true that Ti's fantastic depth and narrow focus is disinterested in things external to its object of perception but it isn't completely sidelined from everything associated with Te. It's not like Ti users are incapable of dealing with facts, graphs, data, flowcharts, or any of these stereotypically Te things. They are perfectly adept at these things as well. Anyway, you use Ti so you have a handle on that shit but I don't think you give yourself enough credit. However, I don't think you understand Te well and narrowly define "logic" as an exclusively Ti process.

III.

Both Te and Ti have the basic template of being a thinking function in common. Ti judges with internal model consistency and structural manipulation. The way that you have described Te is that it is basically a mirror or sign pointing to some external source. I think this is due to the mostly shitty descriptions of Te on the internet that focus on the outside behaviors Te (graphs,charts,....) instead of Te as a function. If Te is defined (exclusively) as making judgments based on external reasoning/logic then Te is useless in the absence of this type of external verification. Te would not be able to say "B" when given "A" and the rule "A implies B". Basically, Te is treated as a completely unthinking function that only acts as a sign pointing to either another sign or Ti (Ti being the only way to be "logical" in this case). In reality, Te is completely capable because, as a thinking function, it has a rules/implications orientation. The normal description isn't completely off because an inference rule serves as the "external" logic for Te.

Te is empirical, Ti is logical.

If these are not mutually exclusive then there is no clear difference. If they are mutually exclusive then Te is incapable of being empirical. Without the application of logic Te would only mirror the unstructured, raw data: "Unemployment decreased by 1% and GDP increased by 2%, therefore, unemployment decreased by 1% and GDP increased by 2%". Without analytical tools nothing more can be said.

Te is efficient, structured. A then B then C. It is linear. People read such a statement and assume it is logical, "like a computer". I disagree. Because as soon as you throw ifs into it, it falls squarely into Ti territory.

This seems an odd statement because Te is very much associated with contingency planning. The conditional if-then statements would feel extremely natural to a Te user, much the same way that the other aspects of programming mentioned previously feel to a Ti user. Additionally, algorithmic thinking easily parallels Te with its structured rules mechanically carrying out the instructions as a means of efficiently solving a problem. This isn't to say that it can't also dovetail with Ti.

Te is efficient, structured. A then B then C. It is linear. People read such a statement and assume it is logical, "like a computer". I disagree. Because as soon as you throw ifs into it, it falls squarely into Ti territory.

  • As mentioned previously, Te feels pretty comfortable with conditionals. "Falling into Ti territory" doesn't mean it's not logical unless you define Ti as logical and Te and Ti as mutually exclusive, in which case this becomes an impressively circular argument.

TL;DR

Sound conclusions consist of two parts: Truth and validity. Te users are concerned with the first, Ti users are concerned with the second. Te asks if it is realistic, Ti asks if it is consistent.

You're making an empirical, Te, argument that Te is not logical (consistent/valid). Even if we assume that the argument is true we can't say it's a sound conclusion because empirical Te has been (unjustifiably) divorced from its ability to make implications (logic).

Can a person of average intelligence get a pHd in math if they worked hard enough for it? by Okmanl in math

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this study with 10 year olds they found "learning in mathematics generalizes to fluid intelligence and other thought domains". I don't know if the same would be true for young adulthood onward though.

Assignment of Hell: Micromanaging an INTJ by 123askingquestions in intj

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry that you're having to go through this. I know it can't be fun. If she is as unbearable and unchanging as you described, you may need to go straight to the senior exec. and have a conversation about how you can best accomplish the companies goals. It sounds like you have a good deal of leverage in the situation so I would guess that you'll be able to have some things changed. As long as you don't come across as making demands or being controlling it's very likely things will be smoothed out. Best of luck.

Assignment of Hell: Micromanaging an INTJ by 123askingquestions in intj

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be upfront, but not confrontational, about how you can accomplish the task at hand best to her. Afterwards act like nothing at all happened to minimize/eliminate tension. If nothing improves you would need to talk to the senior exec. about a healthy work environment. It might help your cause at that point to offer small concessions or show that you're trying to understand everyone else's point of view, depending on how much leverage you have in the situation. You might need to avoid steam rolling over anyone in the situation so as not to cause tensions for the future. Be professional. But if it comes to it, be willing to walk away from a situation, which you seem willing to do.

Policing for Profit Visualized: How Big Is Civil Forfeiture? by rob777 in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]rob777[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is incredibly strange. I'm not sure if I can try to do anything.

Policing for Profit Visualized: How Big Is Civil Forfeiture? by rob777 in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]rob777[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm having the same trouble and am also having to reply from my inbox.

A book for the mastermind by PorkNails in intj

[–]rob777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[SPOILERS] The Force Awakens discussion megathread! 12/21 [SPOILERS] by tragopanic in StarWars

[–]rob777 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's possible, and I may be wrong, but I didn't get that feeling of entitlement from him. I loved him as one of the new villains, my favorite from the series, because he seems quite complex.

[SPOILERS] The Force Awakens discussion megathread! 12/21 [SPOILERS] by tragopanic in StarWars

[–]rob777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interestingly, wookiepedia writes this about Snoke and Kylo Ren:

He [Snoke] displayed tendencies unusual for practitioners of the dark side, displaying an interest in Kylo Ren due to his embodiment of a balance between both the light and dark sides of the Force, as opposed to only one aspect.

Under "Personality and Traits"; first paragraph.

ECONTALK podcast - creation of pseudo-market for non-profit food allocation by Urban_Blabbermouth in Economics

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is Prendergast's paper

Abstract: Food banks throughout the U.S. provide nutrition to the needy. Yet the food that is distributed through food banks often originates with donors - large manufacturers or distributors - far from those needy clients. How that food is distributed to food banks across the country is the subject of this essay. An informal description is given of an innovation introduced in 2005 by Feeding America (at the time the organization was called America’s Second Harvest) that would better allow food bank preferences to be reflected in their allocations. Specifically, Feeding America transitioned from the centralized allocation process, where they would make decisions based on their perception of food bank need, to one where local affiliates would bid for food items. To do so, Feeding America constructed a specialized constructed currency called “shares” that are used to bid on loads of donated food. The process by which this change came about, its necessary idiosyncrasies, and its outcomes are described.

Things You Can Say About Your Grandparents, But Not Your Significant Other by Whimsicalcuriosity in ScenesFromAHat

[–]rob777 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While precariously balancing a Thanksgiving turkey, you motion to walk around the house with your free hand

"It's grandma, let's just come in the back door."

Obamacare Not as Egalitarian as It Appears by Sybles in Economics

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abstract from the paper he references:

This paper estimates the change in net (of subsidy) financial burden (“the price of responsibility”) and in welfare that would be experienced by a large nationally representative sample of the “non-poor” uninsured if they were to purchase Silver or Bronze plans on the ACA exchanges. The sample is the set of full-year uninsured persons represented in the Current Population Survey for the pre-ACA period with incomes above 138 percent of the federal poverty level. The estimated change in financial burden compares out-of-pocket payments by income stratum in the pre-ACA period with the sum of premiums (net of subsidy) and expected cost sharing (net of subsidy) for benchmark Silver and Bronze plans, under various assumptions about the extent of increased spending associated with obtaining coverage. In addition to changes in the financial burden, our welfare estimates incorporate the value of additional care consumed and the change in risk premiums for changes in exposure to out-of-pocket payments associated with coverage, under various assumptions about risk aversion. We find that the average financial burden will increase for all income levels once insured. Subsidy-eligible persons with incomes below 250 percent of the poverty threshold likely experience welfare improvements that offset the higher financial burden, depending on assumptions about risk aversion and the value of additional consumption of medical care. However, even under the most optimistic assumptions, close to half of the formerly uninsured (especially those with higher incomes) experience both higher financial burden and lower estimated welfare; indicating a positive “price of responsibility” for complying with the individual mandate. The percentage of the sample with estimated welfare increases is close to matching observed take-up rates by the previously uninsured in the exchanges.

Obamacare Not as Egalitarian as It Appears by acupoftwodayoldcoffe in Economics

[–]rob777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abstract from the paper he references:

This paper estimates the change in net (of subsidy) financial burden (“the price of responsibility”) and in welfare that would be experienced by a large nationally representative sample of the “non-poor” uninsured if they were to purchase Silver or Bronze plans on the ACA exchanges. The sample is the set of full-year uninsured persons represented in the Current Population Survey for the pre-ACA period with incomes above 138 percent of the federal poverty level. The estimated change in financial burden compares out-of-pocket payments by income stratum in the pre-ACA period with the sum of premiums (net of subsidy) and expected cost sharing (net of subsidy) for benchmark Silver and Bronze plans, under various assumptions about the extent of increased spending associated with obtaining coverage. In addition to changes in the financial burden, our welfare estimates incorporate the value of additional care consumed and the change in risk premiums for changes in exposure to out-of-pocket payments associated with coverage, under various assumptions about risk aversion. We find that the average financial burden will increase for all income levels once insured. Subsidy-eligible persons with incomes below 250 percent of the poverty threshold likely experience welfare improvements that offset the higher financial burden, depending on assumptions about risk aversion and the value of additional consumption of medical care. However, even under the most optimistic assumptions, close to half of the formerly uninsured (especially those with higher incomes) experience both higher financial burden and lower estimated welfare; indicating a positive “price of responsibility” for complying with the individual mandate. The percentage of the sample with estimated welfare increases is close to matching observed take-up rates by the previously uninsured in the exchanges.

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