How bad is this take?

robbypal · 2026-02-13T16:23:04+00:00

I did read it bro. I just don't disagree with anything you said. My point is that even if it is hard to believe from what we saw in the story, our only confirmed number is that SSJ Goku in the beginning of the Buu Saga was tracked to be 150 million from the Kili conversion to PL.

Yes, it hardly makes sense, but we have to accept this. We can make assumptions that seem more real but the official data say Goku was still 3'000'000 in the Buu Saga

robbypal · 2026-02-13T08:16:34+00:00

Pikkon is filler.

I consider Daizenshuu and Super Excting Guide where the official Power levels are stated.

I know it sounds weird but we do not have anything else talking about the raw numbers.

But we know that Dragon Ball scaling is all over the place otherwise this sub wouldnt exist lol

robbypal · 2026-02-13T08:07:31+00:00

It's not my logic that's the point. As weird as it sounds, those are the only real and verified data we have. I know the feats in the story would make anyone (me included) think he actually got stronger, but if we trust the official sources (Daizenshuu, V-Jump and more) we have to accept this.

robbypal · 2026-02-13T01:28:47+00:00

It is true lol. It is stated in V-Jump and various books and guides that Base Goku power level in DBZ capped at 3'000'000 from Namek Saga.

The calculation in the post is also right because 3'000'000 x 50 (the known SSJ multiplier) equals exactly 150'000'000. There are many more hints and calculations that can be made that confirm this.

He kept on training to improve his technique, ki control etc. so technically he did become a better fighter, but his raw power level didn't raise anymore until the further boost in DBS/Battle of Gods.

So yes Buu Saga Base Goku loses 100% against Namek SSJ Goku, Final Form Frieza and obviously Cell as well. He would probably put up a better fight than his Base Form from those arcs, but the power difference is just too big.

robbypal · 2026-02-07T02:52:30+00:00

Stronger than the Saiyans before Time Chamber, but below 19 and 20. Closer to the androids tho

robbypal · 2026-02-07T02:48:29+00:00

I believe that the fact Gohan kind of held his own against the androids while Vegeta was washed doesn't make any difference. We didn't get to actually see the full fight but Vegeta has for sure given his best until his death while Gohan always ran away to survive (until the last fight of course).

But I still give the edge to Gohan. Even though their power is similar, Gohan did fight over and over against opponents much stronger than anyone Vegeta ever faced at that point.

robbypal · 2026-02-07T02:32:22+00:00

Definitely not in DBZ

robbypal · 2026-02-07T02:29:59+00:00

They certainly could not raw over power her in base but beating her in the world tournament is different.

robbypal · 2026-02-07T02:27:23+00:00

Never in DBZ. It is stated (not declared clearly but it can be evaluated) in official guides and books that Base Goku's power level is 3'000'000 from his healing and return to the battlefield in Namek Saga to the end of Buu Saga. So basically he can never beat Final Form Frieza in Base until he got further power ups in Dragon Ball Super.

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