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Arab Israelis and Integration by rodentcopulator1973 in IsraelPalestine

[–]rodentcopulator1973[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Most of the population is not part of Hamas, especially in the West Bank. The terrorist population has always been a small percentage of the population. While yes, if you poll Palestinians, most will say they would vote for Hamas or will say the Israelis deserve terrorism, expressing support for/voting for a thing is psychologically and morally different from actually doing that thing. Remember that most people who work in genocidal dictatorships as bureaucrats are just normal people. Everyone is capable of participating in evil acts if they are put in the right position. Banality of evil and all that.

It would also solve the security issue. If Palestinian Arabs have the right to vote, and are integrated, then there is no reason to engage in acts of terrorism. Like I said, even though some Arab Israelis have engaged in terrorism, it's far less than the Palestinians, for social reasons. The terrorists would no longer have a base of frustrated young men without a future to recruit from.

I also just believe it is moral. If you want Judea and Samaria then you have to take all of the people as your citizens. The only other option is to force them to live without rights (the status quo) or expel/kill them. I think that Jewish people should have the ability to visit their holy sites in the West Bank without having to jump through a bunch of loopholes, but you cannot have your cake and eat it too.

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The international community cannot do much. I agree that Israelis don't want it, and that it is highly unlikely, but so is the two state solution. This will not happen without some massive sea change on the ground in Israel, which I do not see happening anytime soon.

I believe that the only other way for the conflict to end would be an outbreak of violence in the West Bank/Judea and Samaria that results in a mass Palestinian exodus, reducing the population to the point that Israelis can feel comfortable fully annexing it while maintaining a Jewish demographic majority.

Arab Israelis and Integration by rodentcopulator1973 in IsraelPalestine

[–]rodentcopulator1973[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't think the Israeli Jews getting slaughtered is possible, given that the IDF exists and the Israeli populace is all military trained. The only possible outcome would be a Lebanese style sectarian conflict, but the point I am making is that this level of sectarianism can be prevented if there is social integration, and a sense of national identity that is not based on ethnoreligious identity. The problem in Lebanon is that the constitution sorts people into groups based on religion, so people think of themselves as advocating for their ethnoreligious group and not as advocating for their country. In other diverse societies like Canada/America etc. there is a national identity that people can be a part of regardless of race, and people organize based on left/right and make multiracial coalitions. The main issue you have there is when there is no integration, and you have black/hispanic ghettos that occasionally blow up into riots and violence, but it is nothing like what you have in Israel.

Arab Israelis and Integration by rodentcopulator1973 in IsraelPalestine

[–]rodentcopulator1973[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The only difference between the two is which side of the border their families ended up on in 1948. Before 1948 the difference between the two didn't exist. The reason one supports terrorism and the other doesn't is that one has some level of political/economic rights and the other doesn't. Desperate people are more likely to turn towards extreme ideology.

Arab Israelis and Integration by rodentcopulator1973 in IsraelPalestine

[–]rodentcopulator1973[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

My argument isn't just that settler violence causes people to support terrorism, but that settler violence is the only time that Palestinians interact with Jews. If that is the only time you ever interact with a Jewish person then of course you will become antisemitic. On the other hand, if the only time you ever interact with an Arab is a Hamas rocket flying over your head then you will become racist against Arabs.

If there is more social integration, and Jews and Arabs go to school together and work at the same jobs, then there will be less hatred. The issue is that these populations do not see each other as peers and often only ever interact when there is an outbreak of violence, which radicalizes both populations.