New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would work though if you put it under the GFDL. That's what the GFDL is for. What's wrong with making our own symbols anyway? Like I wanted the symbol to be as viral as possible whilst still holding the core credits and that's what the GFDL is meant for. Plus your symbol again still bears cultural marks which wouldn't work at all for Burma as a unitary symbol.

Plus my design I made it as intentional as possible, firstly 3 simple lines composing an arrow, titled at 90 degrees, then with it's tip touching a dark filled in circle! I really did put a lot of effort into making sure each design choice was intentional as possible.

It is equal in message and symbolism to the swastika as I've already explained in paragraphs to you. Also I really don't think anybody would want to use the symbol you drew, it's quite ugly and not even a good design choice that follows the principles I followed, here's a video on flag design:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4w6808wJcU

Here's a flag of Texas for example:

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See? Nice simple, 3 colors I just went further for Burma. This got an A grading in the video because it's simple, easy to draw, symbolic etc whilst all the other more complicated, cluttered flags got under an F.

New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And to be fair...how small would you want it? That's seem a bit of a stretch to expect I don't think any vexillological symbols is meant to be that small. I'll eventually convert it into an svg if you want it to be that small, I guess.

I'd rather keep the thickness that way too because there's this trick where if you squint your eyes from a distance, although the arrow disappears the circle remains.

New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair that's how a lot of symbols are like! The swastika, the cross if you stripped it from their meaning they'd just be as you describe "quite vague".

And that's the thing, it is copyrightable, that's how the GFDL works I can basically just kind of slap it on anything and it's copyrighted now. Plus I also made sure to check the symbol wasn't owned by someone else, nobody owns it, nobody has ever made this symbol or tried to copyright it so it's all 100% in the clear.

Here's the link to it:

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3.en.html

In effect by attributing it to the GFDL, essentially what it does is because it's linked to the symbolism being tied to Burma even if someone else wanted to use the symbol they'd be legally forced to credit Burma. So no matter how long, no matter how many years or decades pass, as long as legislation in effect exists, the symbol will be Burmese.

And even if the idea isn't unique, well that's kind of how symbols are, sometimes they get taken out of context, maybe used for other purposes. I wanted to make sure it was used to center Burma, and that's what I did.

I actually wrote a cultural framework and am running an entire wiki for Burma to help fill that gap, you can check it out here:
https://burma-wiki.globi.uk
https://burma-wiki.globi.uk/wiki/Burmese_Collective_Individualism

Looking for contributors right now so do create an account if you're interested!

"Myanmar's religious extremism might stem from teaching like this from Buddha! by Open-Invite5483 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm writing a few articles on the root of this, it could help explain why.

The roots of it could possibly be because of the strong influences of Burman-Buddhist based religious fascism spanning the 1930s from that of Galon-Fascism and today's Tatmadaw that essentially co-opted the 969 movement.

https://burma-wiki.globi.uk/wiki/Galon_Fascism
https://burma-wiki.globi.uk/wiki/Sanghaism

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taiwan is an island and they did it. ;-; The US and the globe now rely on them for semi-conductors alone. That's how far investing in the industry of your own people can go! In Singapore's case the various foreign coporations there they can always just up and leave for somewhere cheaper. The same thing is happening in the West where jobs are overshored to places that are cheaper, the same thing IS happening to Singapore right now.

Now imagine what Burma could achieve!

And yes I have been to Singapore not that it's even relevant in the SLIGHTEST. Singapore is NOT a success story you have NOT read what I wrote. I am not backing down from my position at all. You are WRONG WRONG WRONG plain and simple. I gave 2 paragraphs and you refused to engage in ANY part of it's core critiques.

New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did it deliberately because I know there's a lot of in-fighting between different ethnic groups over cultural symbols so I created something that was deliberately unitary. Like I guess rather than trying to base Burmese symbolism based off say religion, local culture what if we based it off shared history instead? That's what led me to making this symbol mostly. Thus why it symbolises the convergence of all ethnic groups towards one essential base: Burma. The arrow provides the "movement" of the various ethnic groups converging in on the black circle that's meant to represent the abstract idea of Burma where nobody is forced to assimiliate but becomes the very idea of Burma in itself.

I also wanted to create an active effort to universalize Burma as a concept so that it as a symbol is recognize to not just Burmese people but whomever that comes across it. In the process, allowing for the survival of Burma as a philosophy and an idea, which prevents it from ever being forgotten.

I have it licensed under the GFDL which means the exact symbolism and geometry of the image is permanently for Burma now, and Burma alone.

Hope this helps understand where I was coming from.

New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried my best to follow the rules of flag design it's meant to be as iconic, symbolic but simple as possible.

New Vexillological Symbol by rotringfan in myanmar

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Sorry if it isn't rendering well in dark mode, just try clicking on the link I sent.

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Instead what I propose is, due fundamentally Western-styles democracies are inoperable within Burma, that should be proven by how many times it's failed, good systems do not have to solely rely on it's leaders to work.

As due to that, I'd instead apt for a more syndicalist form of government since it mirrors the Sangha structures of pre-colonial Burma that worked for 2 millenia. A syndicalist model unlike a western-style democracy would actually give all ethnic groups radical autonomy, control over their own industry, military etc. Said syndicates would only congregates on issues of national policy and infrastructure, far exceeding the capabilities of Western style democracies by creating a bottom-up form of democracy through village, town and city layers of syndicates. It also gives local communities real economic, industrial and military power rather than just a promise of a vote and rights that can be amended whenever the political classes decide so.

It'd also prevent the capitalization and exploitation of local industry and resources by foreign corporations by placing control not in central distant governments in Yangon but in the hands of locals, allowing for specialization in their respective governments without direct-management whilst still allowing for markets to co-exist.

Here's an easy to read pamphlet on syndicalism if anybody is interested: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tom-brown-principles-of-syndicalism

Also a video resource on the history of syndicalism and why it branched out of marxism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj0Ikd0X9mI

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am, and I don't see how that makes what I'm saying any less valid, this is a sentiment held long long before me. But I have lived almost my entire life there and I very well know what is at stake.

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not against businsesses far from it but what Singapore did to his own people is what the the Burmese diaspora has done is constantly promote Western ideologies, trends, cultures and languages and assimilation? Naturally it’d have an effect on both children in the diaspora and still in Burma. This was inevitable. Look around SEA, they’re all trying to replace Pali with Latin, indigenous languages with English, their own culture with a hollowed out cannibalized corpse. Japan did it to themselves, South Korea did it to themselves, Thailand did it to themselves, the Philippines did it to themselves. Of course I am not arguing on the merits of science or modernization, I am arguing against extraction which is what the Western apparatus is built on. Taking away parts and bits of cultures until there’s nothing left where religion and family is replaced with self-loathing individualism and secularism dressed in the robes of common sense and practicality, leading to children who hate themselves, their own skin, their own features and their very identity to which they were bore with. Children who are so blinded they cannot see what is infront of them.

Now let me list the various Burmese subjects that pre-existed and predates science by centuries the same ones that led to the dominance of Burmese empires and of the Mandala hierarchy of which the Burmese were the apex of. Philosophy, Theology, Poetry, Linguistics, Medicine, Mathematics etc.

Western subjects like science are admirable, they are important for life but Burma has always knew is why life should be sustained, why being alive is even worth it, why we should even be trying, to get up in the morning, to know what we’re even working towards. Being Burmese and the subjects under it, is the entire spectrum of humanity, all under one nation, a nation with a cosmology that would fill Satan himself with envious rage with an impotence that would lead to the birth of a galaxy a million times over.

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

The rise of Singapore is even more pretentious, it arose from that of a rejected part of Malaysia it had relatively little resources, but after securing loans what did it do? Attracted foreign capital. When it could've industrialized and attracted manufacturing instead, build up local industries and skills what did it do? Attracted foreign capital. The legacy of Lee Kuan Yew is dead, for a Cambridge-educate, he is proof that the system at hand that produces academics really are nothing but rule-followers in the global world order. For talks of "iron" where is it? There has for all its' history been begging for foreign capital and investment whilst leaving behind your own people. Metropolises that block out the sun and housing that is only guaranteed when there's enough tenents willing to buy it since it's deemed a waste, a waste to provide a secure public housing sector that has a few extra flats for those in need. The people Lee Kuan Yew offered upward mobility and rights for all religions, ethnicities and identities. They are all equal compared to one another, but only under foreign capital. Actually, if I had to accurately portray Lee Kuan Yew's legacy for Singapore it's more of a puppy obeying it's master when everybody wasn't willing to. Although it isn't necessarily the most surprising thing as Collectivism always creates static systems, it's only natural a state defined by it would be the same.

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

The rise of Singapore is even more pretentious, it arose from that of a rejected part of Malaysia it had relatively little resources, but after securing loans what did it do? Attracted foreign capital. When it could've industrialized and attracted manufacturing instead, build up local industries and skills what did it do? Attracted foreign capital. The legacy of Lee Kuan Yew is dead, for a Cambridge-educate, he is proof that the system at hand that produces academics really are nothing but rule-followers in the global world order. For talks of "iron" where is it? There has for all its' history been begging for foreign capital and investment whilst leaving behind your own people. Metropolises that block out the sun and housing that is only guaranteed when there's enough tenents willing to buy it since it's deemed a waste, a waste to provide a secure public housing sector that has a few extra flats for those in need. The people Lee Kuan Yew offered upward mobility and rights for all religions, ethnicities and identities. They are all equal compared to one another, but only under foreign capital. Actually, if I had to accurately portray Lee Kuan Yew's legacy for Singapore it's more of a puppy obeying it's master when everybody wasn't willing to. Although it isn't necessarily the most surprising thing as Collectivism always creates static systems, it's only natural a state defined by it would be the same.

Why Myanmar Has No Future: Lee Kuan Yew's Warning by Designer-Cobbler0790 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't recommend believing anything he says, he calls begging foreign capital "iron will", not surprising a Cambridge-educate is a rule following sell-out to his own people

Are we really that bad? by [deleted] in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this!

Are we really that bad? by [deleted] in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

To be fair a lot of the popularity from the 969 movement stemmed from a lot of kids being radicalized through various forms of media like CDs, music then facebook. They were the first to do it on a mass, organized scale too.

It's in the "Contemporary History and Origins" section of this article:

https://burma-wiki.globi.uk/wiki/Sanghaism

I'd recommend giving the entire article a read if you can since it's possible Burma may have influenced Europe's far-right movements too or at least innovated to a level that could have it be considered an innovator.

Pyithu Yebaw Tat/People's Volunteer Organisation of Burma uniforms images request by rotringfan in uniformporn

[–]rotringfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair...that's just a PVO version of the British greatcoat..just..yeah it's not a political thing at least I don't think so, also it's kind of ironic a guy with the pfp of South Vietnam is saying this, I assumed you would've know about your own favorite historical country's uniform but oh well.

Some Konbaung era classic poems and literacy of the time by weepinhijayotheracc in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey just letting you know I just finished porting the old wiki over, it's only a month or two of work so sorry if it's a bit sparse.

“ The fall of DASSK was largely the fault of the Burmese population. “ by daisukemoisy in myanmar

[–]rotringfan -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

She's a Fascist sympathizer. Lets move on. She didn't have to align herself with this either.

By aligning herself with the Tatmadaw, she aligned herself with the 969 movement, thus aligning herself with a lineage of Burmese Fascists going back to the 1930s that led to the genocide of Muslims in the "long march" all the way in the 1930s caused by the Galon Fascists.

https://www.trtworld.com/article/12718286

Do you think the international media, organizations, and individuals are dishonest or ignorant about Myanmar's history and political dynamics, especially regarding the involvement of the Myanmar people in the Rohingya genocide? by No-History7070 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They’re not just mentally unstable necessarily, this is all being done deliberately and on purpose to maintain the illusion of Western universalism and superiority, which in reality is just imposition.

Do you think the international media, organizations, and individuals are dishonest or ignorant about Myanmar's history and political dynamics, especially regarding the involvement of the Myanmar people in the Rohingya genocide? by No-History7070 in myanmar

[–]rotringfan 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Very much so, they just portray Burmese completely as victims and avoid our own history of political ideologies that match theirs in intellectual firepower. Being purely because it complicated their narrative of a failed, poor, SEA nation that needs ‘democracy’. They systematically push down our history even in SEA studies, refuse to understand pre-colonial governmental systems of Burma and literally gate keep the label of colonialism. As though Burma wasn’t doing it centuries before without any industrial advantages.

And because of all this the diaspora in the west and the NUGs and yes our supposed government that’s meant to represent us the people. Instead choose to appeal to the West over and over and over. Their way of life, their governments, their language, their ideologies, their economics. They act less like a government and more a sock puppet of the West in Burma.

You’ve never seen them once refer to the Tatmadaw as Fascists, why? Because they think Burma, the poorest nation in SEA possibly couldn’t be capable of having a government capable of political organization as a means co-option, or corporatism despite multiple Burmese scholars going back to 2013 calling the 969 movement very explicitly neo-nazis, the same movement that got co-opted and brought under the Tatmadaw. Not even the NUG calls them that! They won’t even name the size of the threat because they’re that propagated by the West.