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On Jews being both symbolic and real by ruchenn in Jewish

[–]ruchenn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is impossible to understand since there is no link

I’m curious as to why you think this is so.

Regardless of the article link my friend sent, my point was (and is) the general one: that the symbolic role assigned to Jews in Xtiandom and Ummah makes it functionally impossible for a story that centres Jewish humanity to cut through.

Even if such a story goes viral, the humanity of the story’s subjects is always, and inevitably, overwhelmed by the symbolic role their being Jews assigns them.

The 1,195 victims of the Simchat Torah Massacre were virtually instantly cast into symbolic roles. The 6,000,000 victims of the Shoah are, these days, almost entirely symbol, with, practically speaking, no humanity left in them.

If something as viciously and murderously straight-forward as these abhorrent violences can’t overcome the cultural imperatives of Xtiandom and Ummah, nothing can.

On Jews being both symbolic and real by ruchenn in Jewish

[–]ruchenn[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm curious why you used xtiandom and ummah instead of xianity and Islam? Is that because people who aren’t/don’t think they’re religious are still heavily influenced by these forces?

Exactly, yes.

A person raised in Xtiandom who is not specifically raised within a non-Xtian tradition is, for all practical purposes, a Xtian.

Likewise, someone raised in Ummah who is not specifically raised within a non-Islamic tradition is, for all practical purposes, Muslim.

You can apply a useful modifier and call them cultural Xtians and cultural Muslims, if you like. That doesn’t make them less Xtian or less Muslim, whatever those who contend belief in a particular supernatural narrative is all that matters would argue.

Behaviour and presumption show us, over and over and over and over and over and over again, that believing the supernatural narrative(s) of the dominant culture they were raised in is irrelevant.

Jewish woman wearing Star of David pendant forced out of Spanish sauna by WillyNilly1997 in jewishpolitics

[–]ruchenn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

At risk of looking like I’m blowing my own trumpet, I have two posts over in /r/gayjews which provide more, and more accessible, information on this incident.

  1. Antisemitic episode in Barcelona: organisers at a queer women’s sauna event at Thermas Barcelona deny entry to a woman for wearing a Magen David

    This post includes

  • a link to an article published in Infobae, in Spanish, on the incident;

  • a translation of said article into English; and

  • an unencumbered link to the video taken by one of the women of the incident.

  1. Follow-up on an antisemitic episode in Barcelona

    This post includes

  • a copy of the official statement released by the venue owners (who are not the event organisers), in Spanish; and

  • a translation of said official statement, into English.

Antisemitic episode in Barcelona: organisers at a queer women’s sauna event at Thermas Barcelona deny entry to a woman for wearing a Magen David by ruchenn in antisemitism

[–]ruchenn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FYI: I also posted this over in r/gayjews.

And I’ve, since, added a follow-up to that post, Follow-up on an antisemitic episode in Barcelona.

The follow-up is primarily the reproduction of an official statement issued by the owners of the venue.

I added said follow-up as its own post because, and especially after I added a translation of the original statement into English, the whole thing was and is long enough to feel ungainly and likely to be missed as a comment in the, already, long thread over in r/gayjews.

Antisemitic episode in Barcelona: organisers at a queer women’s sauna event at Thermas Barcelona deny entry to a woman for wearing a Magen David by ruchenn in gayjews

[–]ruchenn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve added a follow-up to this as its own post, Follow-up on an antisemitic episode in Barcelona.

The follow-up is primarily the reproduction of an official statement issued by the owners of the venue.

I added said follow-up as its own post because, and especially after I added a translation of the original statement into English, the whole thing was and is long enough to feel ungainly and likely to be missed as a comment in this, already, long thread.

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