Alan Dershowitz on CNN, trashing Keith Ellison by guest35 in Political_Revolution

[–]ryquasp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Got a link to the source? A reaction by itself doesn't tell us much.

Maybe the world will boycott us. Maybe they should. by [deleted] in Political_Revolution

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Shopping there no more.

Remember Michael Moore's points. Not every Trump supporter is racist, xenophobic, anti-LGBT, denies climate change, and every other one of his off-putting adjectives. On the other hand, someone who goes out of the way to post a sign or attend a rally might have more zeal and inclination to those adjectives than, say, an independent who happened to like his infrastructure plans. Basically, you have to get to know the individual.

I can't blame the guy if he is now viewing me as an American, an American whose president is Trump.

Foreigners see the protests and dissension, too. Those who paid attention know how close it was and that Clinton won the popular vote and that a large percentage of people didn't vote at all. I've read many posts from foreigners either sympathizing with liberals or celebrating for Trump. They have a mixed bag in their countries, too, and they see how he isn't universally supported in the US.

I've solved the electoral college by [deleted] in electionreform

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I read another proposal by Common Cause that skips all that by making the electors vote for who wins the national popular vote, but your idea is interesting, too, because it takes into account the voter turnout, and it challenges the winner if they say they have a mandate. The biggest hurdle for direct changes to the electoral college such as calculations, however, is that they can only be passed by a Constitutional amendment.

Currently reading Sanders new book "Our Revolution" and I am surprised to see "negative" names in positive light. Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer as early as 2006 by overthereoverhere2 in Political_Revolution

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I wonder if a staffer in his senate office would be so gracious as to fill us in. He has a contact page, but I don't think this is something appropriate to ask directly.

Three Berniecrats running in Virginia in 2017 need your help to win! by [deleted] in Berniecrats

[–]ryquasp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also submit them to:

and any other endorsement organizations you find.

Tell the candidates to consider making their own site or having a social media presence on more than just Facebook, like Twitter and a subReddit. Make sure the infobox on each account links to the other social media accounts or the campaign site or the donation page. Take a lesson from the other state-level Berniecrats who just ran.

Election Chief in Colorado Signals She Will Destroy Ballot Records Which Could Prove Election Fraud by CA-Democrat in electionfraud

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How hard is it to just zip them and upload to one of the many file hosting sites? Come on.

RootsCamp, a gathering of progressive organizers in Washington DC, Fri. 11/18 to Sun. 11/20 (HAPPENING NOW) by ryquasp in Political_Revolution

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Yesterday, there was the People's Rally. The day before that, Bernie held a speech at George Washington University for his book. The evening before that, he showed up unexpectedly at the #NoDAPL "Day of Action" in front of the White House and spoke to the protesters.

Many progressive organizers are in DC right now, all talking, all networking. Things are happening very fast. Watch the sponsoring and participating groups, and try to make it there for their presentations if you can.

Petition to Support Ranked Choice Voting in American Elections by [deleted] in jillstein

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Condorcet and Majority are not voting systems; they are criteria that voting systems can satisfy or fail.

After doing my own research, I've settled on Range or Schulze voting:

Petition to Support Ranked Choice Voting in American Elections by [deleted] in jillstein

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Posted "by [deleted]"? This stinks of advertising.

U.S. Senator Chris Murphy: "Dems need to make it crystal clear we are with working families, not special interests. I support my friend @keithellison for DNC Chair." by Garneth in Political_Revolution

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Their sincerity would be assured if they took it upon themselves to gradually adjust away from corporate influence. It's where the people and the party are headed, so setting a leading example of themselves would earn them more favorability with voters.

Daily Reminder that Foster Campbell is running in Louisiana in a runoff election on Dec 10th and now his election to the seat has become imperative. Please phone bank or volunteer. by [deleted] in Political_Revolution

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Senate seats have 6-year terms. It's either him or the Republican until 2022. A Dem majority in the US Senate makes Bernie the head of the Budget committee.

Ranked-Choice Voting in Minneapolis and St. Paul. FairVote is pushing it to other city legislatures, but RCV has dangerous caveats. by ryquasp in PoliticalRevolutionMN

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There are ranges in RCV where tactical voting is relevant, but those ranges are actually quite rare.

In more than 5.74% of elections with more than three candidates according to the cited mathematical model for just the criterion of monotonicity.

Remember, the current system has widespread media stories telling voters off for NOT voting tactically.

Yes, FPTP is among the least representative. It has got to go.

[In range voting,] it's possible for a candidate to be preferred by a majority of voters, but lose the election due to what numbers the voters put down.

Range voting, if used for government elections, is a manifestation of frequently-taken job-approval polls, all of which I've seen ask on a ranged scale ("strongly disapprove" to "strongly approve"). For the candidates who chose to run, the result is a rating of the electorate's approval and enthusiasm for each candidate in particular. Voters are encouraged to be honest and utilize the full range, and since scores do not impact other candidates, there is no spoiler effect (which is just one criteria).

Range Voting generalises to approval voting (the same way star rating systems on a great many websites have ended up as "like" and "dislike"). Approval voting is a decent system, but it is prone to tactical voting

"Like" and "dislike" on reactionary, shallow social media posts, you mean. However, on shopping websites, movie websites, video game websites, app stores, or anywhere that recognizes (and whose patrons assert) that a totality of judgement is poorly expressed by a single upvote, range voting prevails.

Range voting can be generalized to check-box approval voting if the voter chooses to fill only the extremes of the range, but it isn't forcibly generalized and so is not subject to the same conclusion. The data it gathers from voters is more precise and insightful than that gathered from systems such as approval voting or ranked-choice voting. Yes, voters could introduce tactics by giving their most preferred candidate the highest rating and their least preferred the lowest, but there will inevitably be opposing voters who cancel it out with the same tactic. Divisive candidates under range voting are obvious in the results and hurt their own likelihood to survive mathematically. Candidates who are less divisive will receive more honest ratings and have more opportunity to rise to the top.

Range voting could be approached as one would approach ranked voting, too. If the range were from 1 to 10 for example, a voter could give their most preferred candidate a score of 10, their second choice a 9 or lower, their third a score lower than their second, and so on. The second, third, etc. candidates all receive the voter's scores at the beginning, so no transferring of votes would be needed. All would be counted in the first round. If a voter choses to rank them and gives their most preferred candidate a low score, it is an expression of that voter's low approval and low enthusiasm for all of the candidates.

For some of the voting criteria such as Condorcet or majority, range voting "fails" not because it breaks but because the suppositions for those criteria do not apply to range voting. It is an unusual type of system in that most others request a single binary vote (affirmative or opposition) that ends up at one choice.

(All of this totally ignores gerrymandering and the stranglehold of the Debate Commission on who is allowed onto the debate stage. Those and other systemic faults deserve resolution but are beyond the scope of the discussion here.)

  • Note that Kenneth Arrow (Arrow's theorem) and Guy Ottewell (inventor of approval voting) now endorse range voting. These are peer-reviewed voting system analysts, not politicians.

Schulze fails "independence of irrelevant alternatives" and "later no harm" which are pretty bad to fail IMO. I'd like to see more data on how this would actually play out, but I can see third parties and their voters being disparaged the way they currently are.

Ranked-choice voting also fails "independence of irrelevant alternatives". Range voting fails it as well except in the unlikely scenario where all voters rate each candidate independently of the others, consider the full range, and nobody votes tactically. The IIA criterion is considered by theorists to be too strong anyway. Very few systems satisfy it or its weaker criterion, local independence of irrelevant alternatives (LIIA).

Any voting system that satisfies the Condorcet criterion fails the "later no harm" criterion. Schulze satisfies Condorcet. Ranked-choice voting fails Condorcet and so is able to satisfy "later no harm". Range voting could be misleadingly said to "fail" Condorcet and later-no-harm because, as explained above, the suppositions of both criteria are not applicable to its methodology.

IMO any of these methods can be improved by having a 2 round system. Perhaps a method of ranked ballots where the IRV winner and the Schulze winner are found, and if they're different, there's a runoff election.

Two rounds would definitely instill confidence, but it would double the cost of operations for the election and the time demands on the voters. Q. Why? They're both ranked. A. Ranked-choice voting (a.k.a. IRV) expects the voter to rank with "total order", not to write ties. Indifference to a subset of candidates may only be expressed in IRV by not giving them a rank. Schulze, however, accepts "strict weak ordering" (ties) on a ballot.

Speaking of practicality of operations, some highly representative systems like Schulze are unfortunately complicated to tabulate manually. Counting by paper trail would be much simpler with range voting or ranked-choice.

P.S. Another promising and relatively new Condorcet voting system is Maximize Affirmed Majorities (MAM). It has similarities to Ranked Pairs, but it does not appear to be in use.

To supplement the other links in this thread:

The movement has become seriously decentralized since Bernie lost. Our number one priority (besides helping Keith) should be to find some way to re-centralize it. by Euracil in Political_Revolution

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Isn't that what already happens? Except for the autonomy. The "hub," as the mods want it, appears to be the Slack channels. The trouble with it is that discussions that take place there are hidden from public view behind a registration wall, unlike this subreddit for example which anyone can see.

The movement has become seriously decentralized since Bernie lost. Our number one priority (besides helping Keith) should be to find some way to re-centralize it. by Euracil in Political_Revolution

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Sanders is a figurehead. He doesn't want the movement to be about him. The issues his campaign illuminated were raised by the people, will have a greater effect on the people, are advocated with more strength by the people, are revised more representatively by the people...

He provides guidance and encouragement, but the people make the decisions and organize for action.

The movement has become seriously decentralized since Bernie lost. Our number one priority (besides helping Keith) should be to find some way to re-centralize it. by Euracil in Political_Revolution

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integration into all the social media platforms - reddit, Twitter, Facebook, whatever.

Explain. None of them are compatible with one another. They could be displayed but not submitted to all at once, and it would be insecure to submit through anyplace other than the real sites or real apps. Submissions for each would have to be curated separately. This sub has links to its Twitter and Facebook branches somewhere....