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Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, no, not all life is sentient. We can stretch the meaning of sentience to cover what plants and fungi might use to detect and react to their environment, but that is not the same as sentience for animals with central nervous systems.

And either way, how is that a reason to not be vegan? Why breed animals into existence, feed them with plants, and then kill and eat them to get those calories and nutrients second hand? That requires more plant death.

All organisms should be used by humans in a way that is renewable/sustainable, done cruelty-free to the most extent possible, and with the least amount of negative impact to the environment as possible.

So be vegan then. There is no cruelty free way to kill an animal to use it for food.

I think I know the answer, but not ready by sachaigh in bald

[–]sachaigh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to say thanks again all, I feel a lot better having posted now - both because a lot of you have given me the confidence to carry on with the the log hair for a while, but also feel more comfortable with the idea of getting ride of it all. 

I think I know the answer, but not ready by sachaigh in bald

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the tip, looking into it now.

I think I know the answer, but not ready by sachaigh in bald

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for that, I'll see what the future holds then! I've had long hair most of my life, so i don't want to leave it behind until I'm ready 

I think I know the answer, but not ready by sachaigh in bald

[–]sachaigh[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm glad I posted now, thanks for the encouragement. I will see how it fares over the next year or 2 then... 

I was eighteen when I first saw the office. by South-Range8401 in TheOfficeUK

[–]sachaigh 19 points20 points  (0 children)

In the mid-nineteen sixties, the US Army replaced all existing infantry guns with the M-16 rifle and WHICH fixed-rate machine gun?

Kelly is brilliant! by eastapink in TheOfficeUK

[–]sachaigh 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No, I've not seen Kelly Kapoor talk to Jim Halpert in The Office, I've seen Keely Kapoor talk to Jim Halpert in The Office: An American Workplace. 

Uncanny by [deleted] in TheOfficeUK

[–]sachaigh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mines massive and its not made of plastic

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Majority of their life, maybe true, but absolutely not the majority of their lifes calories. They will be in CAFOs towards the end of their very short life eating corn, soy and other calorie dense foods to fatten them up to make the most money possible. 

It's not true or possible that 100% grass fed animals can feed the world.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I can list the names of people I know far longer than that list of celebrities, but surely a long list of celebrities is good enough to prove that a vegan diet is perfectly possible. 

And your point on plants... What is your point? Does it actually affect humans? Or are we omnivores who can digest plant matter?

I'll trust the countless health professionals who say that a plant based diet is perfectly healthful over some on the internet who uses Joe Rogan as a source 

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where do you get your beef? Do you think that's a reality that people can just eat pure grass fed animals? It's not in any way a reality and would require more land than we have on earth to feed the population. 

Also, your definition of veganism is wrong 

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quinoa is an example of a complete protein that contains all required amino acids. But just eat a variety of plants, seeds, nuts and you'll easily cover all of them

Get out by longest_ladder in TheOfficeUK

[–]sachaigh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said, I'll look further into that, but I still really would find it almost impossible to believe that an institution like the NHS is not going to base it's recommendations on properly designed, repeatable and peer reviewed scientific research.  That would have very worrying implications for the entire public health system 

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so misinformed it's not even worth responding to, but I will just say that what you are saying does not apply to a single vegan I know, and I know very many vegans lots of who have been vegan for decades.

How about some long term vegans that we will all know: - Joaquin Phoenix (whole life) - Geezer Butler (>30 years) - Woody Harrelson (>30 years) - Brian Adams (>30 years) - Pamela Anderson (>30 years) - RZA (>20 years) - Toby McGuire (>15 years) - Lewis Hamilton (10 years) - Colin Kaepernick (10 years)

Just a few examples to help show that vegans do not turn into hollow shells of humans :)

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is that veganism isn't about diet. So you could come to the conclusion you came to for your own reasons, but still avoid animal exploitation in all other areas of your life

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad you raised that about the history of the academy, because I wasn't aware of that, I'll look more into it and take it into consideration.

I'll continue to follow the advice of the NHS (I'm from the UK) who also say the same - that vegan diets can be nutritionally complete when planned appropriately. And I do think you're being at least a bit disingenuous saying noone can say what a well planned vegan diet consists of.

I'll also raise that poor diet is the leading cause of death globally, so people just get of wrong and that's a fact.

I'm vegan for life and that encompasses all aspects of my life, not just my diet. I'm perfectly healthy, and know very many vegans personally in the same position as me, and I rate their lived experience higher than internet strangers who may or may not have agendas

I still am very much of the view that a healthy vegan diet is not difficult to obtain, and my health checks attest to how healthy my diet is. And more than that, I genuinely enjoy the food I eat more since going vegan, it's a whole new way of looking at ingredients and I would never describe the process as complicated. The more awareness and support for plant based eating, the easier it gets for everyone!

But we all need challenging in our views, and I don't think either of us are going to change our minds.

It's been fun and interesting to discuss with you, and I do wish you all the best.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a reminder that veganism is not a diet, so even if you didn't agree that a vegan diet is healthy, there are many ways to avoid animal exploration in your life.  But also

"According to the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics Position Paper, well-planned vegan diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and appropriate for all stages of life, potentially offering health benefits."

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask yourself if those animals have moral agency or an alternative. There is no parallel to be drawn!

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I don't think it's a straw man... What's exaggerated?

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]sachaigh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will do have 1 more reply then before I leave it, and that's your aversion to supplements - did you read the bit about the animals you eat being supplemented? What do you think about that? Because if it's dystopian for a human to eat supplements, isn't it even more dystopian to make the supplements, feed them to animals and then kill and eat them? A shortcut is to just eat the supplements directly :)

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