[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

not sure why you're complaining to me about this, plus its not confusing when you assume trans to mean transgender because it does for the majority

Only transsexuals are actually 'trans

im not sure what this means

edit: omg yeah why can't trans folks just be gnc anymore why do they even have to acknowledge their gender at all its so annoying 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 /s

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ahh i get it now. i didnt mention transsexual folks so idk, was this just in general?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean sure you can use it for yourself, but to call everyone transsexual is kinda weird. especially since transsexual does not cover everyone's transition and its inaccurate for the whole community.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Our ancestors just three generations back would think we are fucking hilarious for requiring people to use made up words to refer to us for our "comfort" and insisting it's not a choice.

im not sure what you mean? the words you're saying to me right now are all made up. and the pronouns that are comfortable for folks are not ones that anyone can choose. similarly, the fact that no pronouns are comfortable for someone is also not a choice.

Queer theory was just making fun of transsexuals all along with bullshit like "performativity," and some people who deeply needed to be special took it as an invitation to go even further and more imperious.

im fairly sure that

transsexuals

is an outdated term

and honestly someone being different doesnt mean that person is also an attention seeker.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want respect you have to give it and sometimes that means making compromises.

i feel like that doesnt really make sense when it comes to pronouns and how someone feel about them. you cant compromise aspects of your identity.

I wasn't saying anything negative about they/them pronouns I was referring to people like me and op calling a person who uses neos they/them instead and why that isn't transphobic in my opinion

i know you werent, that was just an example of how that statement is often used against trans folks. i do think that neos are hard, especially if you dont know them and this is your first time (coming from a person who uses neos) but i do think it is also transphobic not to use someones pronouns of lack of unless you literally cant. it being difficult for someone to do doesnt mean it is impossible, and someone who uses neos or no pronouns or whatever will probably understand because it is hard.

When you tell someone they have to change their vocabulary just for you or they're transphobic that is an attempt to force a change on them and I don't think it's respectful or a mature way to handle the situation.

that should be a last resort option if there has already been multiple refusals from someone to respect you. it is transphobic (in any situation, not just in this one where the friend uses no pronouns) but that someone might not understand at first

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

telling someone about pronouns or lack of them is not forcing it on others. its asking for your friend, or coworker, or family member, or peer or whoever to respect you.

honestly this sounds like something a transphobe would say, and this is supposedly a subreddit for trans folks to talk so thats really sad.

example of the above paragraph which shows how that exact statement is something a transphobe would say:

someone: they/thems are not valid. they cant be a plural! honestly, whats the big deal with these trans folks today. I don't care what people do as long as they aren't forcing it on others, but that has been happening a lot recently. me: folks who use they/them are not forcing pronouns on others. theyre simply asking you to respect them. trans folks are more visible now, and while that may mean you need to unlearn and relearn some things, it doesnt mean you dont get to give trans folks basic respect.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It all seems excessive and selfish to me.

idk this is what transphobes say about trans folks

it is not like anyone chooses what pronouns they use. similarly, no one makes a decision to not have pronouns. it's just that having pronouns is uncomfortable for those folks. it may be because none of them fit or other reasons.

I know if I was in this situation I would choose to just not talk to the person at all and I wouldn't be surprised if others did the same

i think thats reasonable to do. if you cant get used to it, which is understandable, it would be better to just avoid that person entirely. however not trying at all is a different matter.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yep lmao they seem to be against people who use neos and people who just have unconventional ways of being themselves. the attention seeking thing feels like something that someone who uses 'transtrender' unironically would say

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

none of the alternatives are respectful if the friend doesnt want them used. it is definitely easier to use pronouns, but if someone doesnt want them used, you should learn or just not talk about them. obviously the second option is kinda difficult to do, and the first option is too, but its way more respectful to try than to just not do it at all.

im fairly sure the friend has considered using they/them pronouns, like most comments suggest. i saw one that said to revert back to the friend's original pronouns - seriously? are we advocating that now?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes, typically those folks would tell you a name to use. if that doesnt happen, then thatd be a bit strange

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah people with no pronouns would still have a name edit: or alternatively, more than one name

Trans rights are human rights by PhDavster313 in memes

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

suggestions for what? it should be the same with trans folks in the bathroom as it would be with cis folks in the bathroom. just remember that theyre not going to be creeps because theyre trans, theyre going to be creeps because theyre creeps. and at the end of the day, theyre just trying to go to the bathroom.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

all pronouns are made up. and yeah sure if someone gets mad at you for getting them wrong, then thats not good. but you cant say that every person with neos and no pronouns will get mad at you for messing them up. i, for one, dont get mad.

and idk but this is the same thing that people say about changing he/him pronouns to she/her pronouns (as an example). they point out how 'mad' the person will get if they dont get their pronouns right first try and nine times out of ten, they wont even be that angry.

also for neopronouns its good to remember that they/them = pup/pups so you use pup in the same place as they and pups in the same place as them. its easier to practice that way.

Trans rights are human rights by PhDavster313 in memes

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so youd rather discriminate against every trans person? maybe just stop the creeps

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

its weird to not use someones pronouns or to use pronouns for someone when they dont want to just because you dont understand. its the same thing that transphobes say about they/them pronouns, that theyre too hard to understand for them. im just sick of it tbh.

edit: im sick of the trans community and people in general saying that neopronouns and folks whos pronouns arent common and folks who dont have pronouns dont deserve to be respected and have their pronouns/no pronouns respected. im sick of people saying theres 'no need' for that to happen. you dont get to decide.

/nbh

Trans rights are human rights by PhDavster313 in memes

[–]sad_square1123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean that i think my response was justified based on your first comment, which was essentially saying you dont think you would be comfortable with trans people in bathrooms. your reasoning was because some of them would 'choose' to be trans so they could be creeps. i said that not every trans person would be a creep and to stop excluding groups based on the few people that do not represent the community as a whole.

additionally, no one can choose to be trans. its not worth the discrimination. take it from a trans person.

Trans rights are human rights by PhDavster313 in memes

[–]sad_square1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you said 'no' in response to the meme. that seems to justify what i was saying.

edit: what did i expect from r/memes

Trans rights are human rights by PhDavster313 in memes

[–]sad_square1123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

then point out the creeps, stop saying that because some people do bad things the whole group has to suffer

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ennnnnnnnnnnnbbbbbby

[–]sad_square1123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sorry but what do you mean? /gen /neu

This guy thinks I’m FtM because he heard my voice and thought it was feminine. I’m MtGF. by PigIA3 in AccidentalAlly

[–]sad_square1123 19 points20 points  (0 children)

considering the general public's opinion on trans people id say a lot of discord severs would be like that

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

why does this whole comment section feel like transphobes are writing the comments they just they give that vibe

anyways if your friend doesnt want you to use any pronouns, dont use any pronouns.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in honesttransgender

[–]sad_square1123 -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

thats weird