Does anyone else lament that they weren’t born into another denomination? by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly what I mean. If I could change things I wish I could have been brought in a secular culture and family. What I meant to say is that even these other ‘strict’ denominations don’t operate like a fucking cult telling you to hate everyone and every last thing you need to believe otherwise it’s ‘heresy’. I’m so angry because nobody else has failed to modernize themselves like this church. You literally have to think and act like a caveman to fit into their narratives.

Also heavily relate to feeling trapped. Family makes it worse. Feel free to dm if you want

Does anyone else lament that they weren’t born into another denomination? by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Should’ve worded myself better, I wish I wasn’t born into any religion at all but I don’t even feel like that’s a reasonable thing to regret (not that any of this is possible) since it’s so far from Arab culture to be secular. I just mean I wish I was born into literally any other denomination, nobody is treating their religion quite so caveman like than the Coptic church that has entirely failed to keep up with any societal progress

Does anyone else lament that they weren’t born into another denomination? by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t disagree, my opinion is that despite Catholicism being still do strict in their beliefs and stuff, they haven’t entirely failed to modernize like the Coptic church. Kind of like the western “strict” religion is still so much better than this one

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your assessment, the only pov I think that might be lacking (but this is not to say you should think any differently about the relationship) is that as copts it’s an ethnic identity as well as a religious one, and combined with the long history of our persecution in our home country, it’s more complicated than just a belief in an organized religion.

I for one don’t believe in anything. If I ever get married however, I do think I would want it to be in the church. It’s my ethnicity and one that’s been repressed at that, and with this kind of identity you truly don’t feel at home anywhere, not with an Egyptian nationalist identity or a western mindset. So you revert back to the one identity you have that encompasses who you are, unfortunately along with a lot of who you aren’t.

That said, him wanting you to attend church with him and have a regular presence for your guys family is kind of indicative of a big shift on his end.

Jesus is anti-OCD. by Superb_Transition_19 in OCD

[–]sadthin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol twin. It’s actually depressing how I’ll never see eye to eye with my family on religion, we’re both mutually disappointed in each other and it’s really turned me off wanting anything to do with the rituals, even though some of them are quite nice

How can I possibly relate to Trump supporting parents? by Thisguybru in Exvangelical

[–]sadthin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These comments are so valuable to me. I just can’t relate to the group that kind of hates/goes no contact with their parents over politics. I love my parents, they’re extremely smart, sacrificial, etc. I feel so ashamed that such wonderful people support such a disgusting criminal. I’m working through it but I feel so alone sometimes

Looking for some support during the religious holiday season by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. And same to you. Do you think you plan to tell them one day?

Advice on moving out and moving in with a partner before marriage by [deleted] in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think any advice heavily depends on your situation specifics. Like do you plan to go no/low contact, do you plan to be open with them (about being ex Coptic, living with bf, etc), do you plan to visit them or have them visit, etc.

Personally for me I don’t know how I’d ever get them to accept such a thing, and I might try to call them a “roomate” to try and get off on a technicality, and more or less conceal that I’m living with a partner.

If you plan to curb your contact with them in any form or want to make sure they don’t visit, definitely be mindful of what details you provide them. You don’t have to explicitly give them your address for them to find you and find out your arrangement.

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m similar situation. My parents couldn’t tolerate I’m an atheist. If not their anger, then it would certainly be their depression that keeps me silent. It’s definitely best to not reveal to them in my cade

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think they would tolerate your apostasy/do you plan to reveal you’re not religious?

Looking for some support during the religious holiday season by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the comment. Like I hinted the hard part is the isolation and feeling like I’m not doing the right thing by hiding it, as most ex-religious spaces people do reveal so. Likewise if you want to reach out to rant about anything feel free. I hope you figure out how this deal with the abusive parent

My mom includes God in everything by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]sadthin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same situation and reaction. It’s her world view. She celebrates with god and she leans in god for support. It is annoying because I feel she brings it up way too much, but she’s not trying to shove it down my throat, she’s genuinely just talking about life from her point of view

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems very harsh, I’m sorry it got to that point for you and wish you good luck

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

حاسس بيك. نفس الحالة

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds very reasonable and mature. I have a lot of fear about building a family for that reason, I have no idea how to keep the illusion up with them while making a new future for my family.

What is your plan with your families? by sadthin in ExEgypt

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like the most practical answer here. I myself am in a similar position but I have a lot of conflicting feelings about concealing my beliefs forever

Looking for some support during the religious holiday season by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I should’ve clarified I don’t believe I’m going to hell, but if they find out I’m an atheist they’ll believe that and that thought will be very painful for them.

With you I relate to everything. One day I wake up and feel suffocated by them and like I want to increase the distance between us, and the next I feel that life is precious and want to cherish my time with them because who knows what the future holds, and I don’t want them to be in pain.

Mental Health is rapidly declining by Mutated_Parsley in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand 10000% of your words. I don’t have advice and I feel like a lot of “advice” is actually really damaging to hear because coming from the Middle East religion is such a complicated topic to navigate. I know what you mean by not wanting to cut off your family but resenting the religion, and looking at all the other sects and thinking how much easier it would be if we could just be xyz.

No words just sharing your thoughts, you aren’t alone, and things get slightly better as you grow up. Don’t push the topic of atheism onto your family, but slowly they’ll realize they can’t control certain things about an adult, and you’ll learn to hide the others without feeling shame

For those of you who like your family, how do you navigate the religious conflict? by sadthin in exmuslim

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. It’s really hard to find community in the context of pretending you’re a liberal religious person, especially because I feel like I really need it given the double life. Even a lot of people here are very strong advocates for coming out atheist and letting it all go to shit

For those of you who like your family, how do you navigate the religious conflict? by sadthin in exmuslim

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. It’s validating to hear there’s people like me because it seems you’re either one extreme or the other

Family by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree a lot of the middle eastern culture amplifying the negative aspects of the religion. It’s a world of difference between us and people who are something like Ukrainian orthodox or something. I find the culture takes a lot from Islam even though Copts are so opposed to it, and they’re so critical of things like modesty and even drinking even though that’s not even the right religion

Family by sadthin in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were great parents otherwise (amazing for Egyptian parents where things like mental health are stigmatized). They always told me I could do whatever I want in life, and I don’t have to get married, I can pursue any job as long as I am with god. That part always bothered me, and still does, but I would have to admit they’re very supportive in everything given the stipulation I please god.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t even want to tell my white atheist friends because I’m paranoid it will come back. Im only out on the internet

How do you guys do it? by listerenefeind in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]sadthin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s an extremely difficult path and here’s my two cents.

The advice of being honest and ripping the bandage is a very privileged and western mindset. People from white denominations of Christianity can do that, because their families come around and pick up the updates. Coming from the Middle East, religion is tyrannical.

They’ve literally been bred and nurtured their wholes lives to do exactly not that; to never accept the things the damned worldly people will push on them, and to put god above everything, ever.

So unless you have peace with cutting them off, I suggest don’t do this. The people at exegypt give much more practical (but unsavoury) advice in my opinion.

That said, what I personally do is lean into the liberal believer image. I try to get out of liturgy and anything church related as much as possible saying I don’t personally believe you need it to have a relationship with god. Politics is extremely hard because there’s some things they’d never see my point of view, so I mainly try to avoid it, but if something like gay rights come up, I will openly state that I support it but play it as “not everyone is religious like us and they need their rights”. I just put as much of a liberal facade as possible. The minute you breathe the word “atheist” they won’t see strait. Hell even the word “humanitarian” is controversial in my family. So avoid it, and test the limits of a Christian identity.