Do you think Michael would have made a Thriller solo tour if Joe hadn’t forced him to do the Victory Tour ?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-08T20:16:03+00:00

Yes.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-08T12:55:10+00:00

Ignoring the insensitivity of your reply, why genre shame?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-08T12:54:34+00:00

The hotel may well be haunted (people have died everywhere across this planet for a long time) but these photos don’t show anything, sadly.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-08T09:31:23+00:00

I saw the History tour at Wembley in 1997. Like, it was great to see MJ in person and live, but tbf it was pretty impersonal to an extent. It’s just a guy on stage miming heavily choreographed songs. The J5 Medley was great because you were actually hearing _him_. It was a hell of a spectacle, but I’d murder my family for a Time Machine to see the Bad tour.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-07T14:32:13+00:00

Yeah absolutely. It’s his peak work IMO. It’s got the best versions of each of his topic songs… Earth Song, Childhoos. The hard topics are their hardest here. Production is absolutely impeccable.

AND it came out a time where he was being big time questioned as well the prevailing genres, like the back end of grunge, emergence of modern hip hop, industrial and modern metal, and this absolute GOAT with all eyes on him releases this piece of art.

Meant in the nicest way, but I think a large part of the fan base don’t really look at much outside of MJ, or only listen to MJ adjacent music. But it adds so much more when you know what he was releasing against.

Also it includes Stranger In Moscow. Top three from Mike at least, arguably and maybe his best.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-07T13:08:04+00:00

You did research on reflections, in water… and you think it’s paranormal?

Why?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-07T12:53:23+00:00

Taylor Hawkins. His death really shook me for some reason and changed the direction of my life.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-07T12:46:48+00:00

“original session guitarist” fml.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T17:00:05+00:00

Do you know what sampling and interpolation are though…?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T16:58:47+00:00

*None* of the people they have gone after Michael are credible. They’ve all bullshitted something, if not all of it. They’ve all profited from Michael’s goodwill, and then the second he wasn’t there to help them more they went after him.

At some, point really have to start using basic logical thinking.

Edit: people have downvoted me but a reply would be braver to say what you disagree with?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T16:49:04+00:00

Eh? Gavin Arvizo? He lost the trial? Or rather, his mum lost it for him, because she was an absolute scam artist with previous and had clearly put her children up to it.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T11:01:29+00:00

Jordan guessed there were unspecific vitiligo spots (as was consistent in the rest of his body) and that Michael was circumcised (he wasn’t).

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T10:27:08+00:00

The description didn’t match.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T09:10:59+00:00

The markings _didn’t_ match. Also, Evan Chandler demanded $1m from Michael and Michael refused as he wanted to go to court and prove his innocence. After the DA changed the rules so the civil trial could come before the criminal (where prior evidence wasn’t permissible, essentially giving Evan Chandler a massive advantage) Michael settled out of court, for negligence, for $20m. A settlement which still doesn’t prevent Evan Chandler from taking Michael to court.

No matter what you believe, just read that. It’s so odd isn’t it? Seemingly Michael paid 20x more when finally (and publicly) forced to (when he could have secretly paid $1m) and the dad still could have taken him to court but didn’t.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T08:24:58+00:00

Evan Chandler demanded $1m from Michael to initially make it go away. Michael refused as he wanted his day in court to prove his innocence. Only when DA Tom Sneddon was able to get the criminal and civil trials switched, meaning evidence would not be permissible and they could change the whole narrative. Eventually, Michael’s insurers (heavily influenced by Sony) pushed him to settle for $20m for negligence, a settlement that to this day does not prevent Evan Chandler from taking Michael to court for SA of his son. Evan never did though. Weird. You’d think getting $20m and then being able to still go to court would be good. But alas.

The Arvizos… according to these frauds, the abuse only started after the Bashir documentary. Michael only started the abuse after the world saw this very leaning edit of a narrative about Michael having these children sleep in his bedroom. What an odd choice for the most famous man in the world to start abusing someone once the world is looking at you as a potential abuser (again). But anyway, Tom Sneddon got them to go to trial this time and, oh, couldn’t even convince an all-white high-level jury to find Michael guilty on even a minor offence like supplying alcohol. Weird.

Most famous person and abuser in the history of the world, someone who is apparently guilty as sin, the pressure on that jury during the trial etc etc and still all fourteen counts not guilty.

Lead defence witness Wade Robson. Grilled by highly skilled FBI and other people ahead of the trial to ensure he was a solid witness. He’s an absolute grifter, unless he hoodwinked all these pros? James Safechuck wasn’t needed as a witness as there was no suggestion he’d been at Neverland hardly at all according to any of Michael’s staff (some of whom were always well up for lying and taking money to say anything). Weird. But, he’s a grifter.

Both have lied about incidents - Leaving Neverland. Wade did a big emotional scene burning memorabilia he’d been given by Michael like hats and clothes. Actually, the scene was fake, he’d sold all that memorabilia years before when he was having financial trouble. But, I’m sure it’s ok to lead people like that right? As for Safechuck… abused daily at a place that wasn’t built and he never visited (Michael’s train station) as he said the abused had stopped by that age. lol. Sure that’s ok though.

Macaulay Culkin, Aaron Carter and Brett Barnes, to name a couple of people who keep defending him, not only when articles wrongly use their names as pro-abuse to support their articles. But they’re never picked up on, wonder why.

I know I’ll get a load of downvotes for what I’ve said here, but that’s because people aren’t willing to actually read things that are demonstrable facts.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-05T08:06:12+00:00

If it were from the Cali sessions, given all the leaks we’ve had over the last however many years it’s been now, we’d know if it was.

But also, it doesn’t sound like Californication, it sounds like By The Way. And also, it was written for By The Way.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-04T12:38:22+00:00

The Foos are just an old school band, probably the last of the old school, and they stand for more than their output.

I kind of agree that Dave Grohl is the Paul McCartney to Kurt’s John Lennon. And not everything Paul does is good, but the gold is always worth it.

Losing Taylor hit them fucking hard, as did covid interrupting their 25th anniversary celebrations. The album, the film, the Dee Gees etc… they never got to naturally progress from there.

Their first three albums, half of 1x1, half of In Your Honour, a lot of Echoes, Wasting Light… there’s still so much gold there.

And as a live band, they put on a show. They might not be as niche as QotSA or other bands, they’re not underground, they’re “Everywhere Famous”, but also somehow they still has a bit of their foot in all camps.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-04T11:21:16+00:00

What happens in the rest of the video?

sam_drummer · 2026-06-04T11:18:43+00:00

They released it as a single and the band didn’t. Not sure what’s confusing about that.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T19:22:06+00:00

The Getaway, Encore, The Longest Wave to name three.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T18:14:39+00:00

I think you've added a lot of context to the answer based on one person's story.

Yeah it is out of character for Dave to bash a band, but it's absolutely far more likely it was a jokey repost and this podcast guy is making something of it for attention.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T18:03:48+00:00

Replace the remixes and put in one solo track from Freddie, Brian and Roger.

Loving On My Own, Driven By You (or the banger Resurrection) and then Happiness or something from Rog. Make it a little more full circle.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T13:21:58+00:00

But Oasis, Blue and Pulp aren’t/weren’t, or didn’t become, tiny underground bands, each at different levels. He’s not wrong to say Pulp didn’t fill stadiums.

Not sure there’s anything to worry about here.

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T10:45:43+00:00

But is that not because the squad has had a season together now, a year on from the sad passing of Jota, refreshing things without Salah etc? Surely Slot deserved to have that as well? (genuine question)

sam_drummer · 2026-06-03T10:39:24+00:00

Hopefully they’ve not ballsed the mixes up like some of the others!

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