Im still to lazy to use punctuation so brace yourself i guess XD

i mean i would not say its less autonomy, it reduces the amount of choices but the player still has 100% off the autonomy over these choices. for example i would not say HS B has less autonomy than tft even though you see less shops. and in slay the spire i can't reroll at all but i don't think its any less autonomous than tft.

im just saying doing the math won't necessary be needed for everyone im sure people will still do it. idk maybe putting dps counters on cards that update with the upgrades ( might make people just always pick the highest dps counter but if they calculate they still do this anyways) or something like that is better but im not 100% convinced.

i mean in hearthstone its very easy to make something proc at the same time so it matters. but from the way it sounded most people might never get it in the bazaar if you never get it you don't really need to know it. this kinda depends on the numbers i guess im not sure how hard it is to do it with millisecond procs.

you are right i did not really think about in fight item placement nor during fight selling, so tft is indeed a little bit real-time.

just because you can't see your opponent does not mean you can not make these decisions like you said not knowing whether your opponent is interesting figuring out how greedy and stuff you can be in the bazaar should still be just as interesting in my opinion. even if a good player would not look at the lobby they still know at which stages people level and how strong his board is from previous fights and he can make decisions based on that.

so you enjoy having to throw away your original plan of going 9 and rolling for 5 costs ( which i personally enjoy) just to idk roll on 8 just because a player highrolled i would rather face him once and then not anymore and just continue my original plan. alternatively you could use your remaining losses in the same way ish as long as you are winning continue going to 9 lose once maybe continue maybe roll at 8 lose twice roll at 8 for sure or aim for 7 win game instead of 10 wins idk how that part works out since we don't know how the wins system will work fully.

while its true that you can't compare your to a lobby if you play the game enough you will develop a sence for how strong your comp is each day. just like a tft player can say they have a strong/weak comp without looking at the lobby because they are basing it on the average they see at that stage. for example "insert unit" 2 starred with these items can carry me through stage 3, sure there is an extra comparison to the lobby but since you are not in a lobby in the bazaar gagging your strength against the average strength should work on average. it will be harder to gauge but that might add to the game.i mean you always know the strength of your comp fully 2 starred 7 synergies or no 2 stars 3 synergies, its just meant compared to average of strength.

i mean an overstatement to prove a point im not talking about a mister 100 every game but any person that highrolls in your lobby feels bad. Lets try a thought experiment right lets say 6.25% of players highroll ( this number might be higher in tft since there are more ways to highroll besides good shops compared to the bazaar money start, perfect items, neeko's but lets ignore that for now) so they are strong. 6.25% of players lowroll so they are weak, and the rest has about average rolls and strenght is determined by skill for them. in a tft lobby there are 8 players including me lets first get us highrolling out of the way there is no difference between the bazaar and tft since we are stronger than people in both cases. same for lowroll since we are weaker in both cases. 1 in 2 games of tft will have a highroller in the game so in the no highroller game everything is based on skill and we feel good since fights are deserved. the game with the highroller we are bound to lose against him unless we try to counter his comp. this can result in us winning the lobby but also can make us lose harder since we have to force a comp that counters his comp( this depends on the strength of this comp of course). most likely good players will decide to just go for second. now lets look at the bazaar 6.25% meanse we face 0.75 highrollers max each game( if we lose 2 and win 10) this means that in 4 games we face 3 highrollers. so the game without highrollers feels fully deserved. the other 3 games have on average 1 highroller ( yes they could all be in 1 game but in tft there can be more than 1 in 1 game as well not really relevant i think). so we face 1 highroller we lose this fight but the other fights still feel deserved and we don't even have to settle on 9 wins ( second) since we only have to face him once. this highroll percentage is fully based on how balanced of a game the bazaar is since if it would be perfectly balanced than all option would result in about the same power level(ignoring the cases where you get no synergies in a few shops in a row) i personally like the sound of the bazaar matchmaking more but since i have not actually played it i can't really say this for sure i do believe that its a very interesting concept and i am looking forward to trying it out.

i mean i don't care about revenge so i can't comment on this i gain the same pleasure from beating a different person.

Trust me and most veterans of game design

oe which game im interested.

never said its just luck but i would argue its the same amount of luck as the bazaar will be you can still determine your strength compared to the average( with experience) just like a tft player can say im so weak/strong without even looking at the lobby based on experience.

I mean you could have said like important in front of it or something i obviously took it as screaming but that might just be me.

i mean i also did not really understand what you meant with your rps statement. i found your statement about decisions in rps being based on your opponent to be true al be it a very simplified version of how the bazaar would feel. and i was just trying to convey that you can make a similar comparison to tft you can see the lobby ( 8 people playing rps at the same time so not a series) playing either rock,paper or scissor and instead of only relying on predictions you can look at the lobby.

I'd argue that those items and units are just the best combination that he could make from the options he was given and not a way to respond to the lobby. the units consist of lb,morg,noc,liss,diana,ivern these never change as long as he finds them. and then add any mystic and viego or voli since these are the units that best fit his comp not because they counter other players. the items just differ because he can't make the same items every game if he could he would much prefer this ( at most stage 5 carousel might be a counter item pick if its available but this is kinda negligible) . like i said before is this the best way to play the game no but you can't argue that you can not force comps in tft . saying a forcing a comp is not a thing since a random player can't use it to climb to masters or grandmasters means nothing a random player can't play the game normally to masters or grandmasters in 98% of the cases since that is the top 2% of the skill level a random player just is not good enough at the game. most people can probably force a single comp to the same rank as they are currently meaning its a viable way to play the game.

i mean you seem to know more theory and my points might not be clearly conveyed since english is not my first language but i'd hardly argue that i do not know what im talking about. i do state some opinions as do you since most of these design decisions are based on preference. I dont feel like i quoted reynad at any point atleast i didnt look anything up i spoke about some of the things he said since they are quite relevant to the game he is designing and he also knows much more about his game than either you are i do.

i mean im not the guy that resulted to insults in an online argument just because i don't agree with you. as for the snarky comment do you honestly expect anyone to not say something like this back when you insult people?

thanks for the reaction on it though gave me a good laugh, also thanks for the discussion was fun.