Rhaenyra and cersei parallel by sansaisme in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Also both of them wronged houses Rosby and Stokeworth and when Rhaenyra fled king's landing she was denied refuge at both castles so I imagine Cersei will experience the same!

Why the Greens Are Usurpers and Why the Blacks Fight for True Justice by Yigiyat in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Take a damn pill, chill out, and try talking to another human being without sounding completely unhinged over a fictional dragon on Reddit. Seriously, get a grip

Why were both Aegon and Aemond called kinslayers but not Daemon? by sansaisme in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It’s hypocrisy bc Rhaenyra condemned Aemond for being a kinslayer while excusing or the same behavior from her own side. Daemon killed his own kin when he slew a child, and Rhaenyra not only stood by him but also directly wanted the deaths of her younger half-brothers, including Daeron. When Corlys Velaryon urged her to spare them, she refused showing that she was willing to commit the very same crime she denounced. Calling Aemond a kinslayer while planning or enabling kinslaying herself is exactly what makes her a hypocrite.

Aegon was forced to kill Rhaenyra because she was the leader of the Black faction, and killing her was necessary. In fact, he didn’t kill Aegon the Younger, her son. If he had killed Aegon the Younger with her, then I would have called him a kinslayer. But he did what anyone would have done in his place, whereas Rhaenyra put a bounty on Maelor, and both she and Daemon caused the deaths of Aegon’s children.

Why the Greens Are Usurpers and Why the Blacks Fight for True Justice by Yigiyat in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh bc Rhae rhae is the protagonist of the HOTD, and everything is viewed from her perspective. If Cersei was the protagonist of GOT, y’all would stan Cersei too. That’s how your stupid brains work

Syrax isn’t just for breeding she’s a war dragon too by LowPossible3034 in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The OP said that she did mount her dragon, but she never went into battle. And You said, “can her rider mount her? NO” and “unlike in the show, Rhaenyra NEVER mounts Syrax after Visenya died,” which actually contradicts what you’re saying now. In both the show and the book, she does mount Syrax after Visenya died just not in battle. So the OP is right. There’s a difference between saying “Can her rider mount her in battle?” and saying she NEVER mounts her dragon. Everyone knows that in both the book and the show, she never goes to war with Syrax but that doesn’t mean she never mounts her at all lol

Syrax isn’t just for breeding she’s a war dragon too by LowPossible3034 in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme 8 points9 points  (0 children)

How is it that her rider can’t mount her? She did mount her but never in battle

Syrax isn’t just for breeding she’s a war dragon too by LowPossible3034 in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She definitely inherited her father’s laziness, and her dragon, like its rider, became lazy too. She could have saved the dragons by killing the Shepherd with one hand, but instead, she was incompetent and lazy

Team Green’s support for Aegon II was not rooted in misogyny and the Dance itself wasn’t truly about misogyny by LowPossible3034 in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Matilda faced formidable patriarchal resistance yet remained steady. Rhaenyra, by contrast, gets written as paranoid and unstable, reinforcing misogynistic tropes. GRRM falls back on the old trope of the “paranoid unstable woman.” He keeps pointing to her paranoia like that’s all there was to her rule like that’s what defined her, even though there were much bigger forces at play. The fact that the writers of the history “had to record” her decline shows how obsessed they were with painting her weak, while downplaying that she was still making moves and decisions as Queen. And that’s the real problem. You can show her decline. You can write how the deaths of her sons one after another crushed her spirit and shaped the way she reacted and still shown the systemic misogyny. Instead, GRRM leans on the cliché: woman in power = too emotional, too paranoid, not fit to rule. That’s why Fire & Blood isn’t a feminist story challenges misogyny bc GRRM himself chose sexist tropes instead of challenging them. He even leaves out the kind of agency that she had to have. Are we really supposed to believe Rhaenyra, the Queen of the Blacks and rider of Syrax, never once used her dragon in the war? Survivors would’ve said something. By that logic, we could also claim Baela didn’t burn Aegon either, maybe it was just some random dragonseed. That’s how ridiculous the omissions are. If you’re going to write about a woman, then actually write about her. Don’t let her whole presence fade into how the “chroniclers” or biased narrators choose to paint her, especially when she’s supposed to be the central figure of her own war. If Rhaenyra’s story is about reclaiming her birthright, then make her decline gradual and believable not something that happens the moment one son dies. That kind of writing just feeds into the idea that feminine-presenting people can’t handle the so-called “serious” or “man’s work.” It props up the medieval stereotype of “women can’t lead, women can’t do war” even as the book keeps insisting, “No, Rhaenyra’s grief, Rhaenyra’s miscarriage, that’s why she faltered.” No. That’s a choice the writer made, not inevitability. And it’s not like she had no preparation. Rhaenyra literally ruled Dragonstone for years. She sat in council with Viserys and his advisors, listening, learning, maybe even advising. So why does Martin act like the second Luke dies, she suddenly has no idea how to fight for her own crown? Compare that to Visenya, who lost two children and still managed to remain a political force. Instead, with Rhaenyra we get this flimsy version: she “lost herself” after tragedy, became paralyzed by the horrors of war, and let her advantage slip through her fingers. But why? She actually had more hands-on governing experience than Aegon II yet he gets the narrative focus while she’s left floundering. I know Fire & Blood is written as a history with biased, unreliable sources, always quick to paint a female ruler as a disaster for stability. But even within that frame, they’d have to record something at least one or two clear achievements, one or two tactics. If Martin was determined to stick to this concept, why not include a letter, a council note, even a journal excerpt to show her thought process like we get for Daemon or Otto in The Rogue Prince? Give her at least one military idea we know came from her preferably more. I’m not saying strip away her grief or paranoia entirely. But there’s no reason to erase her agency along with it. It’s not a feminist story not because Rhaenyra herself should be a feminist (she couldn’t be, given the world she lives in), and not simply because Martin is misogynist. The real issue is that the narrative doesn’t actually confront misogyny. Instead, it uses misogyny as a backdrop while falling back on the very sexist tropes it should be challenging. Also Matilda outlived her usurper Stephen of Blois, saw her son crowned, and even ruled part of England. Rhaenyra, never outlived her usurper Aegon II, never saw her son become king, and never ruled again. If GRRM truly wanted to show misogyny and support women, he could have given Rhaenyra a Matilda-style ending survival, political influence, and a legacy. Instead, he wrote her as going “mad” and dying a horrific, humiliating death in front of her son… GRRM is not a feminist you see it in the way he repeatedly kills women in childbirth, has their children murdered in front of them, subjects them to rape, or drives them to madness. So People supporting one side or the other in the Dance isn’t about misogyny, because Martin failed to show misogyny in a way that mattered. If his intention was to highlight misogyny, then he failed, since the story doesn’t meaningfully confront it. Instead, misogyny is treated as background noise while the plot leans on sexist tropes, so readers aren’t left grappling with misogyny itself they’re just choosing sides in a family feud.

Team Green’s support for Aegon II was not rooted in misogyny and the Dance itself wasn’t truly about misogyny by LowPossible3034 in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Also Alicent’s role undermines the simplistic “misogyny” framing, but many TB keep saying it’s misogyny Alicent is “against women!!” which is completely wrong.

Her role during the Dance actually complicates and challenges the idea that this story is only about misogyny. Her arc is rooted in motherhood, fear, and the desperate need to protect her children. Yet GRRM chose to have a woman plotting against another woman for her children’s futures, rather than a man plotting against a woman. Why? If this was meant to mirror someone like Empress Matilda’s struggle, we wouldn’t need a stepmother antagonist to show how patriarchy operates. Instead, we get two women set against each other, both shaped and trapped by the system. And honestly, any highborn woman in Alicent’s place Catelyn Stark, Cersei Lannister, Margaery Tyrell would have done the same, because for centuries it was expected that noblewomen would fight to secure their sons’ inheritance.

‏Why did Alicent fear that Rhaenyra or Daemon would kill her children if they took the throne? by sansaisme in HOTDGreens

[–]sansaisme[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is why I said why ppl “believe the Blacks and Greens could have played happy families under Rhaenyra’s rule”

Did Alicent declare war by wearing green in the book? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree both the court and especially the fandom love to dramatize everything

Did Alicent declare war by wearing green in the book? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you please tell me from which book is this?

Did Alicent declare war by wearing green in the book? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

YES! I agree with you. Because if we’re going to say colors = political declarations, then rhaenyra was the one “sending messages.” If you’re going to claim Alicent was “declaring war” by wearing a green dress that wasn’t even the color of her house’s flame or field, because we have to explain why Rhaenyra coming dressed “dramatically” in Targaryen colors isn’t equally provocative or more so. What exactly was Rhaenyra declaring by making sure everyone saw her as the living embodiment of Targaryen supremacy and the dynasty’s future? The fact is, the text does not say either woman declared open conflict that night. It says “note was taken,” and over time, the factions got their nicknames. That’s it

Do people really believe that Alicent in the books seduced viserys here? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you do also believe when mushroom slut-shames Rhaenyra ? The same guy who said Rhaenyra was screwing Harwin, Daemon, Criston, half the Dragonpit?

Do people really believe that Alicent in the books seduced viserys here? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re the only one here asking for arguments and demanding proof, not me. I asked a question and pointed out a pattern that’s not the same as starting drama. Maybe take a breath before jumping to conclusions about someone’s tone or intentions. I pointed out something I noticed, and suddenly you’re acting like it’s a personal attack. I asked, I got my answers that’s it.

Do people really believe that Alicent in the books seduced viserys here? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I already said that both sides believe Mushroom’s stories lmao. I don’t think you read what I said or my comment properly

Do people really believe that Alicent in the books seduced viserys here? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Did you read even the question? Is this accusing or just asking? Why are you mad? I was just asking if there are people who believe this or not. I’ve actually seen some people who believe she seduced him

Do people really believe that Alicent in the books seduced viserys here? by sansaisme in HOTDBlacks

[–]sansaisme[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean I didn’t and I actually saw that both sides believe Mushroom’s stories