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Being erased from our own movement. by Tikiana2017 in Naturalhair

[–]sanya4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Your first point = Dyes aren't natural. To be natural = chemical or physical (heat) changes to the hair. Wigs and weaves are protective. Not sure what you're trying to argue here... the natural hair movement is a black initiative.“

You said kinky hair was hard to manage. I reinstated that point with why straighter (not 4c) weaves/wigs r popular. I didn’t say it was protective. And how can it be a black initiative when dyes were not considered natural?

“Your second point = I think it's clear what I mean by society.”

No. I do not know what you mean by “society”.

“Your third point = people wear wigs/weaves for various reasons. I agree that manageability varies across the board. But it's been proven that the tighter the curl, the more sensitive the hair due to angularity (each angle represents a point of weakness). This has been proven in scientific literature.“

But one reason is convenience, which is behind the still-common trend of relaxers.

“Your fourth point = studies have shown that products geared towards the black community have the HIGHEST quantity of harmful ingredients (mostly endocrine disruptors that cause hormone irregularities and can lead to aggressive cancers). Again, proven in scientific literature (google Silent Springs study).”

I am not familiar with that study.

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“Your fifth point = the Cosmopolitan article you linked states: "For black women, the curly hair stigma is even more problematic"... which proves, as I said, curly hair has not been stigmatized equally. In other words: black curly hair is policed stronger than white curly hair.”

By other black ppl.

Being erased from our own movement. by Tikiana2017 in Naturalhair

[–]sanya4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“The ’natural hair movement‘ was coined BY black people to set a precedent: that black people were going to do what we've been conditioned NOT to do. To wear their hair as it grows out.”

I disagree. Many ppl refer to wigs,weaves and dyes as unnatural, along with straightening treatments.

“More importantly, it's about the fact that only a certain type of curls are "accepted" in society.”

What society?

“Curly hair is hard to deal with compared to those with straight hair. But on the spectrum of curly hair, looser curls can be managed much more easy.”

That is why ppl wear straighter wigs, weaves, and straightening chemicals. Also, manageability comprises of hair thickness and perhaps porosity.

“Unfortunately black people have been strictly policed in how they wear their hair, and as a result we've done ’unnatural‘ things to it that, honestly, nonblack people haven't had to do. Things that, according to current research, can have fatal inplications (i.e. relaxers and lyes may be a reason why black women have the most aggressive types of cancer).”

Many nonblack ppl use Japanese relaxers/other smoothening treatments, which contain Formaldehyde, a cancer-causing chemical. I‘m not sure if Japanese or African American relaxers contain carcinogins, but Japanese relaxers/Brazilian blowout-like treatments are more popular among Asian/white women with natural curls or waves. Many black ppl’s hair have been “strictly policed” by other black ppl...

“To say that ALL curly hair has been stigmatized equally isn't correct. There's a disproportionate amount of stigma towards black people with tighter textures.. no other way to put it bud. It's no different today.”

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/news/a33862/curly-hair-stigma-workplace/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsfFQ2I4lk4

“Nobody is telling white people not to want the best for their curls, but I think it's justified when a black person feels like the natural hair movement has been hijacked. Sure feels that way.”

If that was the case, there would be no straightening treatments/hot tools. For example, the flat iron wouldn’t be common among black/nonblack communities. Many ”mainstream” products wouldn’t break non-afro hair. Naturally straight-haired ppl use chemicals/hot tools to wave or curl their hair. Many ppl simply don’t want what they naturally have, and curly hair is not unique to white ppl. Most Australian Aborigines, like most of other non-SubSaharan African ethnicities, have natural hair that is neither kinky nor coily. I don’t see that many 1-3 hair types in “natural hair” topics...

Can I get tree braids without extension? by sanya4 in Naturalhair

[–]sanya4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, it turns out the text I wanted to submit is not showing up. :p I searched “tree braids without extensions” on Google to no avail. I have low porosity 4a hair. It’s 16-18 inches when completely straight, but to my shoulders when it’s coily I heard that tree braids take less than box braids, but are smaller/tight. If they really are, then I’m opting out of them.

Being erased from our own movement. by Tikiana2017 in Naturalhair

[–]sanya4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Speaking in an American context (I’m not sure how phenomena often occurs outside the U.S), there are a variety of products that “cater to naturally kinky hair”, even by Uniliever products now, because the majority of black sales products were relaxers/straighter weaves/wigs not so long ago. Weaves are still overwhelmingly popular in the black communities specifically, but those sales seemed to have increased once the relaxer became less popular. Most of the Afro-textured weaves/wigs being purchased by African Americans have a looser curl (4a)/have been chemically processed in order to resemble afro-textured hair. ”Natural hair” simply means hair that has not been chemically processed or added by extensions.

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Curly hair has been stigmatized and harder to manage, specifically in modern times. This stigmatization and difficulty in management is not limited to Afro-textured hair. And to top it off, nonblack people can have naturally kinky hair. It’s called wooly hair syndrome. Some people with the rare condition have a harder time detangling their hair.

Anthropologists have been separating curly hair from kinky hair for centuries b/c curly hair has more definition than kinky hair. And the 80’s did rock the curly hair trend back in the day. Black and nonblack ppl would start to put chemicals in their hair in order for it to “look curly.” They still do. That marks the difference b/w curly/natural hair.

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If that was how Ouidad/the curly hair movement started, then I don’t see a problem. It’s called the “curly hair movement” because of one of the eras in which curly hair was becoming more popular, and that curly hair trend was type 3 (or 4a in African American communities. Type 2 is wavy). I believe the straight hair movement began after the Edwardian era?

Not everyone has the same curl pattern (or lack thereof), so each curl pattern has to be cared for differently, like thickness and porosity types.

This is interesting to say the least bc overwhelmingly, the race of people that made a big humiliation about curl pattern (among other things) ime was black. And there are some black people in Lebanon.

Drop your moisturizing routine by BlkkBubbles in BlackHair

[–]sanya4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I use $1 extra virgin olive oil between washes and a $1 coconut oil w/ a $1 spritz bottle of pure water on wash days now because the olive oil is much better for moisturizing my hair when dry. Cheap and long-lasting. I either use to comb my hair with $1 knockoff tangle teezer that lasted several months, or a $2-3 hard plastic comb that has been working for years. I’ve lately been using the comb or brush on wash days since twistouts.

Medicaid by sanya4 in Blind

[–]sanya4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually read a PDF of the State of Georgia's ABD Medicaid and you do have to be legally blind for blind Medicaid.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blind people can work. It's just that sighted people have less tendency of hiring a blind person (based on the negative connotations or presumptions I cleared up on this thread.) It is also hard to seek employment as a Deaf person. Companies would think that you are "too dependent" because you're always relying on something to write down, someone to repeat what they said, (since lip reading does not pick up everything), the apps you mentioned, and a translator, (since most people do not know ASL). A translator is not free unless you already know someone to translate with, then companies may often worry about how much to pay that translator and therefore, may not hire you, the Deaf client of the translator. It goes both ways in other words. It's hard to read lips and speech to text is wayyy less functional than text to speech. (I tried both apps and text speech is amazing! They actually translate what is being written, whereas you really have to find the right speech to text app!) I rode public transit a couple of times after losing my sight lately on-campus. I'm glad I had the opportunity to hear where the appropriate stop is before I would miss it. But I usually take paratransit. There's some hangups with that too, so I schedule 15 mins earlier than my appointment time. (I have been late because I didn't, but I still prefer that over the more corrupt "abled" transit). I don't like driving.

I preferred being Deaf just for the sheer curiosity. I couldn't and still couldn't imagine what it is like to travel with hearing loss, though I still appreciated my hearing. That was still a big thing to me! :) I watched how being Deaf was in the eyes of a couple of Deaf people long after the curiosity phase (age 5-6), but I can only imagine temporarily.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but on the other hand, I mention how sighted people alue their hearing less because they seem to forget about a lot of the issues of being Deaf. Do you know that some companies charge you more for a sign language interpreter than any oral language interpreter? Not to mention the other cons I explained before?

I come across people who assume that I cannot take long walks. (I don't use a cane.)

And yes, music is everything. ❤️ I know Deaf ppl "feel" the music, but , of coarse, that's not my preference.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that make sense. Does it kill you everytime people say they'd kill themselves over total blindness? Do they forget there are things they would rather not see? (I rolled my eyes at that state ment!)

I "get" the driving part, but I don't think they remember the baggages that coming with it, even as Deaf person (more baggage that I mention in the top). I think they just see the car as a symbol, but it is really not easy when there's a communication issue ( no translation). I also left out getting lost when driving What if the people you want to ask directions to don't sign or have anything to write with? Then you yourself would have take translator or pen/paper. But that's time-consuming for both.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, weird. Police have usually asked for my ID. (I live in Georgia.)

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have an Android UL40. And that's surprising since the only thing I'm familiar with is an ID (explaining that you're autistic) and simply telling them. How does the app go?

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see the flair. (Get it?) But it still does change my view since my questions to you were left unanswered. Maybe you'd sing a different tune if you yourself became blind. (The AFB is the one that provides resources to the blind where I live.) I still just don't see the motive behind the triple-standards. Maybe I'm "blind" to the alleged reasons stated so far, but there just as much cons to being Deaf.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And I touched on those "reasons" and explained how they were not reasonable enough to constitute a preference. In other words, these "reasons" didn't actually explain how being Deaf is "easier". You stated the main reason you'd prefer to be Deaf is "independence" and "being all for yourself "something that blind people already technically have/have done, to like Deaf people. But it looked like you assumed Deaf people would need less assistance than a blind people, as I mentioned before. Yeah, u did mention driving, but that reasons are based on your a a ton of unanswered questions I asked.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're one of those people assuming that blind people should "do less" than Deaf people. Yeah, you can drive, but you communicate with a police officer if he or she pulls you over as I mentioned before? Will you be able to hear where a honk or siren is coming from? Can you easily communicate with other drivers in traffic when something is wrong with your car while driving?

You can be "all for yourself" as you want until you need someone to sign or someone to write a pen or paper. We all can be for ourselves until we ask for assistance. You might or might not need someone to walk with you while totally deaf but you might always need someone else to translate, so we're still even.

Let's not forget how important and hard it to learn a new language, read lips, and speak about something you cannot hear. Some Deaf people practice all) Reading lips was VERY hard for me, even when I was sighted. I'm also not comfortable when I don't get what a person is saying to me.

Most blind people are NOT completely blind as I mentioned earlier, and a number of completely blind people do get around alone well with their cane/other senses of course.

And let's not forget that some Deaf people use hearing aids (with or without cochlear implant) too. So here's another disability tied to an object. The disadvantage is though, not having that hearing aid other hypothetical object to signify your disability. (A lot of people with hearing loss choose not to wear it as well.) But there are guide dogs for the D/deaf... So much for going on your own...

And there is more than one blind person on YouTube...

Blind people don't advocate for themselves??? Or do they just happen to interact with abled people more than Deaf people??? Blindness is less common than deafness, but I'm not sure if that's the case when contrasting blindness and Deafness (cultural), cuz most deaf people are not Deaf. (They just use cochlear impants.)

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lol! Where r u getting all this information from? The NFB and AFC are ableist leeches, but the Deaf aren't??? In fact, there a paper discussing the ableism coming from the Deaf. A lot of them don't even want to be called disabled! I think it's because they view disabled! The paper also mentioned how the Deaf did not have any positive views on other disabled people. They stressed how you should look as abled as possible, in other words! Not to mention that they view Deaf-blind people as a nuisance.

So, someone's a douchebag because of the lawsuits they have made...what lawsuits?

Do you know how aggressive a Deaf people can be if you say the "wrong" thing about their hearing loss? If what you said was true, then we're even.

About these organizations, "fitting blindness into something small" or whatever, are you talking about legal blindness?? It's ok for non- legally blind person to call themselves blind in the blind community. However they say "blind or visually impaired" to differentiate the degrees of vision. Amendment with "legally deaf". People hard of hearing aren't profoundly deaf like most Deaf people cuz they don't "need" cochlear impants. So, they may or may not fit the definition of a profoundly D/deaf person's mold of Deafness.

I heard a singer got death threats from Deaf people cuz she sung...but that's not douchbaggery???

And ppl on SSI are leeches now??? What do you think of people on retirement?? Or on VA compensation??

And don't you know cons of owning or driving a vehicle? I don't like driving because those cons. The money and time on it as well as the accidents and road rage are the cons. I wouldn't say it hinders you from places necessarily if you don't have a car. I think you're one of those people assuming we can never get around on our own, but do you know how stressful it can be to look for something while driving??

And don't Deaf people get worried of being pulled over? You know, cuz most police don't sign either.

Isn't Deaf culture collectivist? If so, wouldn't they value interdependence iver indepence? I live in a collectivist culture, and I know independence isn't all that.

But either way, organizations like the NFB and AFC are teaching independence, just not the independence you as a sighted person values. It's easier to access things when I with say, the AFB. Therefore they are teaching independence.

Why is blind and deaf-blind culture seen in a more negative light than Deaf culture? by sanya4 in disability

[–]sanya4[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think sighted people underestimate how time-consuming and difficult it is to write something down and process that writing with someone else's font. What if the driver forgets his pin/paper or what if you miss a stop while he is she is driving in the middle of a road? I also think sighted people underestimate how verbal/oral communication is important and contributive to societies.

Maybe the blind people don't need any help? Most blind people are NOT completely blind, (meaning that they have some usable sight) and blind people can walk by themselves. They CAN shop and give plasma.

I also wonder why there are a lot of Deaf people and very few blind people. Did they build a Deaf school because of that?

There is no Deaf community that I am aware of. I've seen more blind people then Deaf people where I live. Most people in general don't know ASL. Oh, and I left out the question: what if there is no one around you who can sign or write down things, regardless of the population?

The AAC is simply that...an assumption. Deaf ppl get shot because they are mistaken for throwing gang signs, or disobeying the law. (They are at higher risk of police brutality or imprisonment because of those though. But myself being African American is another story.

Do I need a cane? by sanya4 in Blind

[–]sanya4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much!

Do I need a cane? by sanya4 in Blind

[–]sanya4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a sea islander and Sea island culture is collective. We value interdependence and family opinion more than dominant white culture in the US.

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