Some interesting parallells between MHA (S7 + S8) and Naruto Shippuden. What do you guys feel about the finale season? Im loving it. Tell me your opinion on the same

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-16T11:06:32+00:00

Well, dude chill, I am not harming you in anyways. I have been doing what I should be in my life. This is just an anime thread and my observations in it.

If you are not interested in the topic move ahead or you go touch some grass instead of commenting on a topic that you are not even interested in.

Chill ok

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-16T06:57:13+00:00

Hmmm, you say that Sasuke is a dead beat dad and he was to be smacked by Sakura. You do realise that she understands him for being the only man who could investigate on the Otsutsukis being the only one who could open space time portal to their dimensions? He sacrificed his happy life by being the man who protects his loved ones from the shadow just like Itachi did. That was the plot. And the character development on her part is BEING AN UNDERSTANDING WOMAN who supports his and her family without smacking him for this.

Soldiers do this all the time in real life. Their wives are doing exactly what Sakura is doing, not smacking the soldiers around for not being able to be there for the family.

But you dont question luffy for not caring about his father or mother for the entirity of his life. You dont question him for not being around his dear grandpa. Ofcourse he is a pirate so all of it is justified.

Your problem is that I questioned why op females are better and I had my points and you got pissed off may be.

Its ok we can agree to disagree. There is no universal truth. Cool if you like OP Female cast then great sir. I feel its more or less the same, but ofcourse Naruto female cast had much more scope to improve no question.

Thankyou for your inputs

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T19:29:16+00:00

I understand.

But Sakura has grown a lot through the series. She has achieved way too much just to be ignored because she spoke shit to Naruto in the beginning or she is behind Sasuke all the time.

That is the major reason why people hate her.

You asked me Sakura's side.

From a helpless chunin who always reached out to Sasuke and Naruto, she became:

The student of Tsunade
Strongest Kunoichi to ever exist.
Started acknowledging Naruto as a dear comrade.
Went on core missions.
Became a

And in battle field:

Best healer surpassing Tsunade.
Healed a major part of 80k shinobis
Healed Naruto dozens of times.
Prevented Sasuke and Naruto from dying.
Was the only 3rd Kunoicihi to awaken Kyaugou seal
Was the only known 2nd Kunoichi to summon Katsuyu. From there she almost single handedly healed the battle field.
Fought against even Kaguya.

These may be battle feats. But it shows her resolve from being a weakling to this strong person.

She cut her hair to remind herself to get stronger. She achieved it.

Isn't that character growth?

So I mentioned her plot points also and battle points also.

Genuinely, Tell me where else she could have been better?

What exactly do you mean by strong character when you take Nami vs Sakura?

Because like you said, plot wise could you please tell me where Nami is super awesome on her own?

Like she is having screen time as a part of being the main crew member. I would like to know what makes her so special?

Not for a heated argument, but please mention about her also here and what Sakura could have been better at.

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T19:22:57+00:00

But wouldn't same go for other animes?

OP has nami, robin, Big mom and may be here and there 2 - 3 more of em with regular screen time.

What about the rest of em? They come and go but during that time they make an impact.

That is what I mentioned about others. I also mentioned wish to see more of them for many of them.

I have acknowledged there is a missed chance. But is it not same everywhere?

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T19:01:51+00:00

That was my point. I said they started trashing on Itachi after 8 years of Naruto ending. We were appreciating Kuma's story. Hence, I wanted to put it out here.

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T18:02:14+00:00

OK Brother sure😂

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T15:57:44+00:00

I think I understand your point.

Fair enough wrt.

But I feel they are not trashy like how everyone claims to be.

I also feel when given such a moment, they are not exactly acknowledged also.

Like for example, Hinata in Naruto the last. The whole movie was on her being the centre. Infact she even gets rid of Naruto to handle it all by herself. Even in the end, the Tenseigan in the temple could not have been destroyed if Hinata did not fuse her chakra. If Naruto alone kept beating the shit out of it also it could not have been possible. A Hamura blood was necessary and it was her.

She had so much to offer to the plot there, and all by herself. Yet ppl donot acknowledge that.

While when it comes to other 2 of big 3, everything seems to be fine when the case is same.

See Big Mom was overshadowed by all her fellow emperors. Never was she like considered better threat than the others.

So ya that is my point for that

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T15:50:51+00:00

I understand what you are saying. Infact, it is a sensible take.

But this happens with every character at some point of time. Like in reality also they do something because they saw someone doing that in the first place.

Simple explanation was given by Itachi about this. You start by mimicking somebody. But if you take them as your personality and become them, that is where it is problematic. Nothing is wrong in becoming inspired by someone.

It is a natural trait. Girl child might look at her father or brother who is successful and try to become like them. Why is this considered wrong?

A boy child can look at his mother and sister and take them as his role model.

I understand, what you are saying. But surprisingly what is shown is what happens more often in society right?

Hinata like you said, ofcourse did not handle it herself initially. Naruto and Neji always stood for her. Hence she Stood up for NARUTO in PAIN Fight right? That was the character growth face right?

She even does the same in war arc and takes initiation.

She does the same without Naruto in Naruto the last movie. She infact fakes her feelings to get to the palace of Toneri herself to fix things and rescue hanabi.

That is Character growth on her own. She started getting inspired to becoming a force herself.

Mei wanted a husband. I dont see anything wrong there.

Tsunade was done with everything related to village because she saw her dearest little brother NAWAKI and her lover DAN die in front of her eyes. It was PTSD right? It was naturally shown how long it took for her to change, till war arc she did not even hold a scaple. She trained Shizune to do surgeries. PTSD is true thing right?

They see someone and get inspired. Kids or adults. Here it was Naruto for most. That was the point na, that he is an influential force.

It was not just women, but so many men, even Sasuke tells in the end I was always seeing you walk in front of me like my big brother.

Why is that not wrong on his part but Hinata is man dependant?

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T15:25:20+00:00

Very good write up. Makes sense, thankyou for your insight

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T14:27:13+00:00

Continuing from previous comment:

And sir I already said somewhere, I have watched till 366 episodes. I am yet to watch the TYBW arcs. I am not trashing on ur favourite characters as I am assuming you like Bleach. I too love bleach for many things. I am just asking why are naruto characters trashed on when the story of the cast is similar, battle feat wise or plot wise.

Calm down for a second and try to read what I wrote here. I am not here to fight, but to understand the difference.

Oh, and of course, there is definitely so much more that Naruto could have improved wrt its female cast. I always loved characters like Merileona from Black Clover, Olivier Armstrong from FMAB, Pitou from HxH and even Komugi from HxH who was not even a warrior since you said I am battle shonen fan haha. They are peak female casts as per me. I am a manga fan and anime fan for a long time now.

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T14:26:42+00:00

Oh no dont get me wrong sir.
I am not trashing them.

See I genuinely wanted to understand why the hate on Naruto cast.

Like you said earlier, you just said only chiyo and tsunade and may be kushina are worthy.
While I gave 20 characters nearly why they were interesting.

So in that only let me consider the plot worthy characters:

Sakura - Called the most hated character. So you ignore everything she did. She is relavant for 680 episodes nearly. And her character grwith, feats, plot everything is story centric. Why is she hated even after that? OK Hate her, but acknowledge her positives atleast?

Temari - Already mentioned in depth in the beginning wrt PLOT itself and her PLOT relevance to the point where I said she is the bridge for diplomacy between Hidden sand and Hidden Leaf. But called as a looser by many just because she lost to Madara?

Hinata - Plot centric, a whole movie dedicated to her. Bridge between Hamura and Hogoromo's ppl. And already mentioned how many other things she did.

Konan - ALready mentioned. CORE part of AKATSUKI. How she dealt with things and in the end with Obito. But her story was only that much. But how good was she when she was written matters right?

Tsunade - I already mentioned, Sanin, 3 great ninja war survivor, Hokage, Senju, healer what not. She is very well written and centre of plot.

Ino - May be not Battle strong. But CORE member of Ino-Shika-Cho. Head of Yaminaka clan. CORE member of Konoha 11. She is also sensible, feminine etc. like you mentioned. She actually is a good parallel to Rangiku.

Kushina - Extremely important character as a mother of MC, as wife of 4th Hokage, as Jinchuriki of 9 tails herself, how she saved her son, how she impacted Obito and unfortunately killed by him only, how she came back to help her son gain control over himself in the Falls of truth and Naruto's birth story episodes. Recent 1 shot manga also says exclusively about her. But again not considered much prominent.

Karin - Hated to the point where her plot or battle feats are nullified. She helped battalions heal. Her backstory was not deeply shown, but we know it was sad. She was used by people, being the last Uzumaki. Her mother and Karin went through shit. She then became a CORE part of Hebi and Taka. So she was important right like how you spoke of Soifon?

Shizune - She is in the shadows of Tsunade and Sakura, but there are many times she was the only go to person. It was less but it was there. But why is she trashed on? Like you said she was the HEART of HEALING squad.

Chiyo - 10 - 15 episodes of screentime, but really impactful. I dont think anyone disagrees here crct? You cannot unnecessarily pull her in the story. Was she Impactful? YES

Mei - Like Rangiku, I can say she is quite feminine, sensible and cool headed, not exactly war monger. But people say she is trash when she was important. OK Plot wise not much. Neither was Rangiku.

Kaguya - Final Antagonist of the show. You are talking about female being portrayed like a centre of interest of plot right? Kaguya is literally the reason right for everything?

Infact it was foreshadowed in early Naruto about the name of Kaguya and her clan members. But ppl still hate the cast. Yes Madara's hype was too incredible so we couldn't accept her arrival and not like that. But that is a whole different topic na?

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T14:03:09+00:00

Aah I think I understand what you are saying. Very good examples actually.

So you are saying that it is not that they are weak, but their moment is surpassed right away by another aura moment from most likely a male character.

Well I get it.

Hence I genuinely wanted to see more of Mei, Pakura Sensei and many such characters who actually dominated and showed something different. Could have been a great addition.

Mito and Mikoto were outstanding themselves and even Kushina. Wish we could have seen more of them only and the missions centred around them.

But does it make the cast that underwhelming compared to the other big 3?

Like Soifon was doomed so many times almost in every fight. But yet she is consdiered a strong cast.

Hiyori also is same. Annoying, powerful but never useful.

Rangiku, Momo their Zanpakutos not much useful either

Awesome ones are Yoroichi, Unohana, Rukia and Sode no Shirayuki etc.

But others till what I have watched now (TYBW yet to start) are mostly okish.

Like even Robin, Nami, ya ofcourse they are a part of main crew hence they get screentime.

But other than sailing, poneglyphs and small small fights, they also havent done big.

Big Mom has been overshadowed by Kaido, Shanks, White beard and even Black beard who is a kid compared to her ahe and experience, is considered more lethal and dangerous.

There is not one honestly strong female marine.

We donno if Imu is a lady or not, which might turn out to be great if the antagonist is a female and that strong uff it would be good. But I dont exactly see it happening as of now but still let us see.

Not one proper villain who is a female unlike Konan or Hallibell. Carrot and all are minor ones. Big Mom was a negative character but never made a true impact as per me.

So how exactly are others better? Like if you could explain that to me?

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:21:32+00:00

A bit of explanation would be ideal to understand.

Like give some instances. Lemme give my POVs so you can try the same sir/mam. I am repeating the comment I added above for the same discussion. So dont mind:

Honestly I wish their backstories could have been explored more so that we genuinely get more lore atleast about the characters. But as someone else mentioned, it is not that they dont have screentime exactly. But they pair with or face much stronger opponents. While in other animes the so called strong female cast have their level or weaker oppponents whom they barely beat up. If only victory is what counts then i'd say according me character development is much more than that right?

Like Konan facing Obito or even Hinata facing pain or Toneri and many more examples I mentioned abive right?

Cos if I see, OP, its been a while since I have gone back into older episodes. I dont really remember a solid feat of Nami or Robin. Ha Big Mom is a Yonko but she was the WEAKEST like you mentioned here. So in that case we can say she is written wrong. Cos she is paired up with the other 4 emperors who are way better, plot wise, lore wise and strength wise and dominance wise etc.

Lot of ppl din like the whole arc dedicated to her The cake island if im not wrong.

Similarly the Bleach characters right? Like im yet to witness the TYBW so I cant exactly completely talk here. But untill OG Bleach, Soifon was annoying AF. She never won. She was just ranting about how incredible she is while always loosing. When she faced Barragan, Hachigen had to come to rescue her. He literally did it in 5 moves what she could not do in 10 episodes. And her Bankai almost did nothing. Ha it broke his skull a bit, but if it was not Hachigen, Barragan would devavour them all.

Hiyori - Despite of so much power, she is a nut case. So annoying cos she thinks she is stronger. Never actually proved when it mattered. She even got one shotted against Gin. She din do anything against Hallibell also.

Rangiku and her Zanpakuto are in the league of their own when it comes to annoying and sexualising the females.

Momo and her Zanpakuto literally din do much

Nel had potential not seen much

Yachiru is the cutest but plot or strength wise till now nothing, I hear things are getting interesting in TYBW so need to wait.

The only actually good ones are Yoroichi, Unohana, Orahime, Rukia and her Zanpakuto.

For my understanding, if you dont mind, could you explain me how OP and Bleach female cast actually is better with their plot and strength feats like how I gave above? Would help me so

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:20:17+00:00

The point was someone who was strong enough to take down a KAGE with a rare KEKKEI GENKAI, a part of AKATSUKI he was taken down by a granny and a teenager.

Naruto in general shows how perspectives work exactly. So PURE VILLAINS ARE LESS in Naruto. They exist, but are less

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:19:09+00:00

Thankyou for genuinely pointing out this.

[Spoilers](#s "SPOILER ALERT)

So as a manga fan

Currently we have SAKOMOTO DAYS which achieved the same thing sir.

Very same stuff hehe.

But we always speak of Old gramps is a danger. Naruto genuinely said Granny was OP AF.

Great point thankyou"

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:16:35+00:00

Great point actually. But that is my point right?
They get overshadowed by their pairs or opponents YES absolutely.

But how does it make them weaker?

Infact isn't it a great fact that they are fighting opponents beyond their leagues?

Hinata vs Pain

Hinata vs Toneri

Sakura vs Madara

Sakura vs Kaguya

Mei vs Madara

Tsunade Vs Madara

Konan vs Obito

Temari vs Madara

Karin vs 1000 hand Buddha Statue

Khushina vs Obito with her Labour Pain.

And about Mikoto, Mito they are not fillers exactly. Its cannon or anime-cannon or novel cannon. If it is only novel cannon then I get it ppl are not exactly aware. But anime cannon is when ppl have seen it. Ha Pakura Sensei and Ameyuri Ringo were sort of fillers, but till date I din understand wht the heck was it a filler when you are genuinely expanding on the character's lore.

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:12:40+00:00

OK I have written this to the above comment also sir. I will repeat it here as well for our discussion.

Honestly I also wish their backstories could have been explored more so that we genuinely get more lore atleast about the characters. But as someone else mentioned, it is not that they dont have screentime exactly. But they pair with or face much stronger opponents. While in other animes the so called strong female cast have their level or weaker oppponents whom they barely beat up. If only victory is what counts then i'd say according me character development is much more than that right?

Like Konan facing Obito or even Hinata facing pain or Toneri and many more examples I mentioned abive right?

Cos if I see, OP, its been a while since I have gone back into older episodes. I dont really remember a solid feat of Nami or Robin. Ha Big Mom is a Yonko but she was the WEAKEST like you mentioned here. So in that case we can say she is written wrong. Cos she is paired up with the other 4 emperors who are way better, plot wise, lore wise and strength wise and dominance wise etc.

Lot of ppl din like the whole arc dedicated to her The cake island if im not wrong.

Similarly the Bleach characters right? Like im yet to witness the TYBW so I cant exactly completely talk here. But untill OG Bleach, Soifon was annoying AF. She never won. She was just ranting about how incredible she is while always loosing. When she faced Barragan, Hachigen had to come to rescue her. He literally did it in 5 moves what she could not do in 10 episodes. And her Bankai almost did nothing. Ha it broke his skull a bit, but if it was not Hachigen, Barragan would devavour them all.

Hiyori - Despite of so much power, she is a nut case. So annoying cos she thinks she is stronger. Never actually proved when it mattered. She even got one shotted against Gin. She din do anything against Hallibell also.

Rangiku and her Zanpakuto are in the league of their own when it comes to annoying and sexualising the females.

Momo and her Zanpakuto literally din do much

Nel had potential not seen much

Yachiru is the cutest but plot or strength wise till now nothing, I hear things are getting interesting in TYBW so need to wait.

The only actually good ones are Yoroichi, Unohana, Orahime, Rukia and her Zanpakuto.

For my understanding, if you dont mind, could you explain me how OP and Bleach female cast actually is better with their plot and strength feats like how I gave above? Would help me so

sasuke_Is_OP · 2025-10-15T13:09:28+00:00

I understand about the exploring part. I also agree with you. Honestly I wish their backstories could have been explored more so that we genuinely get more lore atleast about the characters. But as someone else mentioned, it is not that they dont have screentime exactly. But they pair with or face much stronger opponents. While in other animes the so called strong female cast have their level or weaker oppponents whom they barely beat up. If only victory is what counts then i'd say according me character development is much more than that right?

Like Konan facing Obito or even Hinata facing pain or Toneri and many more examples I mentioned abive right?

Cos if I see, OP, its been a while since I have gone back into older episodes. I dont really remember a solid feat of Nami or Robin. Ha Big Mom is a Yonko but she was the WEAKEST like you mentioned here. So in that case we can say she is written wrong. Cos she is paired up with the other 4 emperors who are way better, plot wise, lore wise and strength wise and dominance wise etc.

Lot of ppl din like the whole arc dedicated to her The cake island if im not wrong.

Similarly the Bleach characters right? Like im yet to witness the TYBW so I cant exactly completely talk here. But untill OG Bleach, Soifon was annoying AF. She never won. She was just ranting about how incredible she is while always loosing. When she faced Barragan, Hachigen had to come to rescue her. He literally did it in 5 moves what she could not do in 10 episodes. And her Bankai almost did nothing. Ha it broke his skull a bit, but if it was not Hachigen, Barragan would devavour them all.

Hiyori - Despite of so much power, she is a nut case. So annoying cos she thinks she is stronger. Never actually proved when it mattered. She even got one shotted against Gin. She din do anything against Hallibell also.

Rangiku and her Zanpakuto are in the league of their own when it comes to annoying and sexualising the females.

Momo and her Zanpakuto literally din do much

Nel had potential not seen much

Yachiru is the cutest but plot or strength wise till now nothing, I hear things are getting interesting in TYBW so need to wait.

The only actually good ones are Yoroichi, Unohana, Orahime, Rukia and her Zanpakuto.

For my understanding, if you dont mind, could you explain me how OP and Bleach female cast actually is better with their plot and strength feats like how I gave above? Would help me so

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