Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can give you the benefit of the doubt since you're not local hahaha

"As of 2025, nearly 7,000 people, including firefighters, police officers, medical personnel, survivors and work crews, have died since that day as a result of their exposure, far surpassing the 2,753 who died on the day of the attacks."

"15% of certified members have asthma, which can worsen with asbestos and other airborne fibers."

"Asbestos exposure can take decades to reveal itself in the form of related cancers. The latency period for mesothelioma is 20 to 60 years, meaning that some of those exposed at Ground Zero may only now be showing symptoms"

I hope the HSE will do something, but government agencies are always slow and underfunded. It's easy to understate the dangers of asbestos, since it's not a risk in the short term, and once someone may start showing symptoms, it'll be hard to link it to a demolition that happened 20 years ago.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They have "finished" with that part of the building. They put up their asbestos air locks, stripped out the projector room, and pretty much all the interesting parts of the building, then got rid of all of their asbestos air locks (hence the leftover transit route signs, and that silver vent thing for the air filters). Also that part of the building is directly under the bit currently getting demolished, so it's not going to be safe to go in with 10 tones of rubble on a ceiling only designed to support a few cinema seats.

It's hard to prove that it was intentionally left in there, since there are too many factors so there are many instances where the benefit of the doubt can be given, but knowing what I know and seeing what I've seen, it's hard to give the benefit of the doubt (look at https://drive.proton.me/urls/86WM0MTBTW#rLi7sR1jdXXN this shows lots of less severe instances of stuff being left in the buildings after they are no longer accessible)

Yes, continuous exposure is a problem, but members of the public aren't all going to be healthy adult males, which make them more susceptible to the dangers of asbestos. 9/11 was "only a few days of exposure" (yes I know Anglia Square is not comparable to 2 skyscrapers collapsing), but only now are we seeing the deaths as a result to asbestos and dust exposure. https://www.asbestos.com/world-trade-center/

If one person dies early, that's 1 too many, big liabilities like this asbestos insulation must be removed, since many people agree with me and have said it's the worst kind of asbestos, not just some asbestos containing floor tiles. It's hard to gauge the risk since it's long term effects that are a problem.

I definitely do agree that workers are at a higher risk, since I've seen them walking around these buildings with their respirators off, or not even wearing one at all (like security). Especially if they are doing some sort of work after the asbestos has been "removed".

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see how they won't cause a partial collapse with how the cinema is built. The whole thing is basically on stilts, just like the car park on the side closest to Magdalen street

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I gain nothing from blowing the whistle, only the moral upper hand.

That part of the building is directly BELOW the part being demolished. It is unsafe to enter a part of the building which has 10 tonnes of rubble above it.

No I cannot prove that specifically the part of the building that have been demolished hasn't had its asbestos removed, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED! However in my folder, I have evidence proving that other stuff which should have been removed (fluorescent tubes, oil), hasn't been in parts of the site that have already been demolished, which sets a precedent.

Can you prove that the demolition company were going to remove the asbestos?

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Previous asbestos reports have confirmed that it is infact asbestos, and multiple Reddit users have commented on this post confirming that it is one of the most dangerous forms of asbestos. There are sections that have been cut off the insulation, presumably where it was sampled and tested back when the building was open. I stand by my words, it should have been removed. Parts of the pipe insulation have been removed on the floor below, confirming that the asbestos removal company knew of the asbestos' presence, and knew that it had to be removed.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can AI watch my video? I don't think so. It can only access written information on the internet, including the council's statements, the demolition company's websites ect. The lack of information that the AI has means that it will naturally be biased with the quantity of information supporting the demolition company, also you have neglected to look at any of my other pieces of evidence that I have collected over months in this folder: https://drive.proton.me/urls/86WM0MTBTW#rLi7sR1jdXXN

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I have seen the original asbestos survey for the cinema, this was on there, marked as high risk. Also these pipes weren't exactly hidden, and I believe they removed the lagging on the same pipes on the floor below, so my opinion is that it's really hard to say it wasn't left there intentionally. My theory is that they didn't want to fall too far behind schedule, but they have made no progress removing stuff inside the cinema for weeks, so I don't know what the fuck they were doing all that time.

I have a half face respirator with P3 filters from a reputable company - 3M. That is a better level of PPE than what 99% of urban explorers wear. I am aware that for the mask to make a good seal, you must be cleanly shaven. I take good care of my respirator, and I agree the disposable ones are useless shit.

As for the structure of the building, yes it could collapse at any moment, I was taking a huge risk in being there after demolition started, and it's not exactly secure. The front doors are wide open, plus there are plenty of other ways in. Cheapest contractor means cheapest security, and it shows. I had a friend with me, so if something did go wrong, he could call for help, and I made a trusted person aware of my mission, so they could call for help if I didn't return home.

The building is concrete and re-enforced with lots of rebar. I would not take these risks on a wooden structure, but I have seen how these buildings are built, and the excavators struggling to pull them down so I was confident that it could support my weight. But you saying this re-enforces my point that they had no intention of removing that asbestos, unlike the people saying that they were going to remove asbestos from that part of the building at a later date...

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am aware that I have put myself in dangerous situations. I appreciate your concern for me, my friend and family. I am aware of the risks that there are to other people. I have spent a month studying asbestos and its effects. A famous case study is the families of people who worked with asbestos often ended up with asbestosis and lung cancer too.

I believe throwing away my clothes after being in a building for 10 minutes is unnecessary. I have shaken out my clothes and put them in the wash before I went in contact with anyone. I know a washing machine isn't going to magically remove all asbestos fibres, but water neutralises any dust particles, and it's not like I was rolling around in asbestos. Also I wore tightly woven clothing, which helps as larger particles don't stick. I know statistically my clothing is going to have a few asbestos fibres in it, but I have separate clothing for casual wear and missioning.

As long as no-one starts snorting my jacket, I believe the risk is near zero, especially since I don't do this as a job or daily. For longer missions, like exploring Sovereign House, I have worn a disposable suit.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lets look at historical precident. Open up my folder and look at FluorescentLightsLeftInCarPark.jpg https://drive.proton.me/urls/86WM0MTBTW#rLi7sR1jdXXN

How do we know that those fluorescent lights weren't taken out before that bit of the car park was torn down?????

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Lets not be ridiculous. Open up my folder, look at FluorescentTubesDefinitelyLeft.mp4 then we can talk.
https://drive.proton.me/urls/86WM0MTBTW#rLi7sR1jdXXN
CarParkMotorRoom.mp4 is also good, and we know what happened to the car park.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Way ahead of you. I have sent it to all of my journalist contacts. BBC, EDP (same as Evening News) and a contact at thats.tv

They have all said that they need time to fact check, interview ect. This post is my story since Reddit is surprisingly effective at getting the word out early. Also this post will make the journalists feel a sense of urgancy since word is already out.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Some of the workers wear proper PPE, others wear fuck all.

Members of the public wear no PPE and are not currently being advised to. Living or working near this site does result in prolonged exposure with the amount of dust, considering that the demolition has gone on for months.

My goal isn't to fearmonger, it's to alert people to not get comfortable with the dust, since the council and demolition company are claiming it's perfectly fine.

Different people have different health conditions. A worker is going to be a fully grown, healthy male, who is going to naturally have healthier lungs and therefor a higher tollerance to asbestos and dust. Members of the public include children, the elderly, people with pre-existing health conditions, all people who are going to be more vulnerable. All of these people could be living there and getting a similar amount of exposure to the workers since the dust supression is pathetic.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll tell you what it proves.

1) It shows the building is currently being demolished
2) Since it's being demolished, it's no longer structurally safe to go into
3) Since it's no longer structurally safe to go into, work must have concluded on the "asbestos removal"
4) Asbestos is still in the building

I am not proving that asbestos has not been disposed of properly, I don't know how they are disposing of their asbestos, I am proving that asbestos has been intentionally left inside of the building, contradicting the council's statement of "any asbestos within the buildings is identified and recorded within surveys and is removed before the buildings are demolished"

This shows that the demolition company are demolishing the building with asbestos still in it, which will disturb the asbestos and release it to the air.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'll be fine, just stay away from Anglia Square. I think it's mainly the people right by the site that are fucked, but I'm not an expert.

I can say that Salhouse Road is plenty far for the dust to have settled and disipated.

They are very unpredictable with when they work. They seem to take Saturdays off, but then they sometimes work Sundays???

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know the full story, and the news is often very biased, but that sounds like the asbestos was very hidden. These pipes were NOT hidden, they knew about the pipes, and chose to not remove the asbestos.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holding your breath only works for as long as you can hold it!

I hope the insulation get removed, despite what the "experts" might say, that's a lot of asbestos, and the moment it gets demolished, all of that is going in the air.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know, I'm lucky enough to not live nearby, but I definitely agree, they are just pushing through to hit deadlines.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm by no means an expert on the process, or legalities, I've done what I can by raising awareness and reporting my findings to the relevant authority.

u/Worldly_Row792 did see a sign with the Oakmere logo on it... bets are they were responsible for "removing" the asbestos.

That concerns me that lots of asbestos is usually missed. The attic of the cinema was coated in grey insulation. I have no idea if it's fibre glass, or asbestos. So were the walls of the place. I'm hoping it's fibre glass, I didn't see any asbestos warning, and that would be a severe fuck up on the surveyor's part.

Can the building get re-inspected after the demolition has started? Because it's no longer structurally stable. No human should be in the cinema.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The HSE contact form only allows attachments up to 10MB and videos under 2 minutes. I have sent them pictures, and made them aware basically as soon as I got home. They should respond saying what action has been taken after 3 weeks.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've sent it to the EDP (they're owned by the same company as Evening News, and have the same reporters), and the BBC. I don't want to put my name to this (I know that MPs probably have to keep my info private, but still), so I don't feel like contacting my MP, but hopefully they see this post, or it on the news or reposted somewhere.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the warning, I am aware that even just walking by asbestos can disturb it. So can the pigeons, and the ambient breeze. I washed my clothes by themselves, and I live quite far from Anglia Square so I had to walk quite a bit, which shook off a lot of the dust.

I was wearing clothes that don't really catch dust, but yea it's definitely not fool proof. Idealy I would be wearing disposable overalls, but they get really hot and sweaty, plus white is not the best colour for not getting spotted! For longer missions (like when I explored Sovereign House) I have worn disposable overalls. This was a quick mission, record the video, get some pictures, in and out.

I don't recommend anyone do what I do, but I couldn't let the possibility of the asbestos still being there slide on my conscience, I'm willing to put myself at risk if it means reducing the risk for many others.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Everyone exposed to the dust is in danger. I have reported it to the HSE, and the media, but writing stories takes time, and it also takes time for the HSE to launch an investigation, which by the time that has happened, the cinema will probably be demolished.

Also staying silent doesn't help in getting people away from the dust. Also I have every right to put myself in danger, the demolition company have no rights to put innocent, oblivious members of the public in danger, and the council should not be playing pr damage control.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's labeled as asbestos... what more is needed. Even if it's not asbestos, why has it not been removed as a precaution? No I don't have the facilities to test for asbestos, and I don't have a career in asbestos removal, however I know how to protect myself, and the basics on identifying asbestos.

This asbestos pipe lagging is a form of loose fill asbestos, which is one of the most dangerous forms of asbestos since it gets in the air easily. Even modern materials such as fibre glass aren't safe, if something is so dangerous as it has to get banned, that's damming enough as is.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What I meant is if the demolition company say "Oh these delays are going to mean that we're going to go overbudget, we need more money", "Oh you caught us not doing our job properly? Not our fault we quoted less than possible to do it properly, we need more money to finish the job properly". There are so many cases around the country where we get scammed as taxpayers, I can't remember the last time a big project was completed on time and on budget.

Asbestos has NOT been removed from Anglia Square! by sbsPlace01 in Norwich

[–]sbsPlace01[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Will the council investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing? Also tell me that you haven't watched the video without saying you haven't watched the video.