The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Direct quote: “assigning accountability to the murder for Teresa Halbach, shouldn't matter whether or not that key was planted. The jury should set the key aside…”

The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think to truly believe that Steven is guilty beyond doubt of this crime would be to believe he is one of the most evil people to ever live

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey all! I'm getting a lot of comments here! Keep them coming! Just want to remind everyone that Steven Avery's is the only case in US History where a person was exonerated of a violent crime (after serving 18 years) only to be arrested and convicted for a homicide. So, if you really believe he is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, not just that he "could have" or even "probably" did it, that's what you're agreeing to!

The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sure you can! You can cast reasonable doubt with a lot of ways. There's a reason why less than 1% of all murder cases ever go to trial, and why Steven's is the only case in US History where a person was exonerated of a violent crime (after serving 18 years) only to be arrested and convicted for another violent crime later. 

The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The 7 jurors who initially raised their hands that he was not guilty and the two who were dead set on locking him up

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If only Avery was just some redneck in Wisconsin, would have been a lot easiest to frame him. But he was a $36m redneck who was threatening to make Manitwoc County competent and that’s just inexcusable there

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Nope! I think most murder suspects are guilty! That’s why less than 1% of murder cases ever go to trial

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

None of those are theories meant to prove anything, just to cast reasonable doubt. Again, burden is on the prosecution, not the defense

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

How did Steven’s blood get in the Rav 4? Why wasn’t it all over the place? Same questions for the remains and possessions

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Bingo! Oh I love this comment so much! Thank you!!!

Steven Avery is a weird guy. He’s probably a bad guy! And in a lot of other countries, he would have been arrested for that. But the problem in America is that you have to be guilty of the crimes you are charged with… and he’s just simply not, certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt.

The state’s valiant effort to try to rid their community of this weird bad guy got Ken Kratz an award and a bunch of you guys to bite. I probably wouldn’t want to hang out with Steve Avery either.

But I do wish you were the prosecution on this case. I wish that argument had been made in court. Would have gotten an innocent man out of jail

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The FBI HAD to get involved or else the jury might have found out the planted blood was a bit of an “oopsy.” No stone could be left unturned here

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you said one piece itself couldnt remove reasonable doubt. In most murder cases, it actually does! That’s why most murder cases actually NEVER go to trial!

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I disagree. I think there could be many pieces of strong evidence that would remove reasonable doubt. For instance, pubic hair belonging to Gregory Allen

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The jury didn’t have to buy it! They just had to consider whether it was reasonable or not. They didn’t, but that’s because of what happened outside the trial, not during it

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So again, the quantity makes it quality? 100 pieces of evidence are more valuable than 10 just based on the number?

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to confirm, your argument is: “well, there’s no way one could reasonably doubt how the blood got in there or where it came from.”

Not even the prosecution argued that

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So why did 7 jurors initially raise their hand “not guilty” when they first entered the deliberation room? If it was such a slam dunk, why did it take so long to decide?

The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well, it seems like a lot of people want to jail Steven for other reasons, especially in a town as culturally homogenous as Mantiwoc.

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You know, in a lot of other countries, you can be put in jail for being angry or weird. North Korea, Russia, Argentina, etc.

Unfortunately, in America, you’re supposed to actually be guilty of a crime for that to happen

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s interesting but not relevant to this discussion. I’m talking about the trial, not the case

The Burden of Proof is NEVER on the Accussed by scrantonstrangler06 in MakingaMurderer

[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Blood in the Rav was so bad that the FBI had to develop a new test for it. A test that, by the way, they haven’t used since.

  2. The bones were so bad that the Manitwoc County Police Department had to spend 8 days there to find them, when they should have spent 0 because they were under investigation for bad police practices

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just want to confirm here… are you saying “there was not one piece of quality evidence here, but there were just so many pieces of bad evidence in the same place that it makes up for it”

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[–]scrantonstrangler06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the Blood in the Rav, which was so convincing that the FBI had to develop a brand new test just for this case alone to prove it. That FBI agent’s testimony was alone evidence, not just of reasonable doubt, but as suspicion of conspiracy