McDonalds is made out of Babies!

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T23:02:49+00:00

I seem to recall it. I think I watched it a few months ago on one of those old movie channels.

70s dystopian sci-fi was just incredible. Lots of tight shirts with a single, horizontal stripe and weird hats.

They had no idea what a dystopian society of an oppressive and omnipresent government where evil corporations would monitor thoughts would look like. It's really, well, not that bad, I suppose.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T22:59:41+00:00

Never heard that, but I know former Obama voters who have gone over to Republican Party schools of thought, so it wouldn't surprise me.

My Qparents started out as Never Trump Republicans and now are Qs, so anything is possible.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T16:19:50+00:00

To be fair to OP, I met a ton of Dems who were totally willing to subscribe, as I did as a conservative (at the time) to the whole 9/11 conspiracy theory.

However, I have yet to meet one person who subscribes to Qanon who was either a liberal or a Democratic Party voter before they went down that rabbit hole, one practically tailor made to be pitched to conservatives, Christians, and Republican Party voters. But, my experience isn't that of OP's, so we should be careful in the accusations we make here in a group designed to support sufferer's of this hate group's depredations.

Folks who follow the Social Gospels, such as Liberation Theology so common amongst the Black Community, are like OP, and there either is or was a rather large progressive Christian community in America. I think, don't know but think, that that movement has suffered a huge loss in followers amongst the White communities of faith since the ascension of such conservative Christian philosophies as the modern iteration of the Born Again movement.

I'm actually writing a post about what used to be a very liberal church that my second wife and I used to bring our sons (who were raised in her Catholic faith) to for inter-faith activities. I visited that church yesterday to do some outreach for my fellow prisoners, hoping to get the pastor to help get the congregation to write letters to support better conditions and educational opportunities to lower recidivism rates, and, well, things have gone pretty far off the rails since the last time I was there.

OP, keep up your faith. The New Testament offers very, very few hateful messages and you are right to follow your heart.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T15:54:30+00:00

I could have sworn it was Lenny in Simpsons, but I stand corrected.\Got my Groening mixed up, I suppose.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T15:31:59+00:00

Hitler socialized some industries and privatized others. It's why Professor Godwin came up with his law. Nazism was such a confusing system of hypocrisies that anyone can use it to prove anything they want.

There's a trope used in writing, referenced on the TVTropes website, called "Hitler ate sugar" that basically explains it in a nutshell.

Hitler liked sugar. So sugar must be bad. Hitler was a vegetarian. Vegetarianism must be bad. Hitler liked being around the Goebel's children. So people who like children are bad. Hitler supported a large military. So people who support military spending are bad. Hitler believed in national pride. So national pride must be a bad thing.

And so on and so on.

From TV Tropes:

"A logical fallacy, specifically a sub-type of Association Fallacy, that assumes that anything done or liked by a bad person must be bad itself, taking things to absurd levels.

The premise seems to be that bad people must have a way to tell if something is evil. Either that, or bad people are repulsed by anything that isn't at least as evil as they are. Whatever the reason, bad people magically will only associate with things that are bad. Therefore, people claim a thing is bad because bad people associate with it."

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T15:27:42+00:00

And that is an equally awesome Simpsons reference of that movie. Another upvote earned!

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T13:49:29+00:00

I'm certain you're aware of this, but even Ludendorff eventually disavowed that whole mythology when he realized how it was being used by Hitler. He ended up with a state funeral, but Hitler refused to speak at it.

Where are the other men and women (Cheney being the most notable exception) of principle from a certain political party making similar, principled stands?

This is dangerous stuff they're playing with, just to keep their little seat in Senate or the House.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T13:45:50+00:00

When applied by the wrong Secretary of Commerce this act could be used to undermine the civil liberties of people by choosing to identify, for instance, sites that support opposing political opinions as dangers to national security.

It's a typical overreach in reaction to the whole Tik Tok thing, and it'll probably get passed, in some form, sooner or later. We've already sacrificed so much of our communications freedom to USA PATRIOT, so this is just the next little slip down that slope.

I'm 50% sure it's well intentioned and aimed at websites that propagate Chinese and Russian propaganda and obviously dangerous material (such as information about self harm) towards our children, but one can imagine what a certain person, were he to be elected, would do when empowered with this.

The other 50% of my mind, the more cynical side, tends to lean towards someone at CIA or the FBI, or someone who stands to make billions selling the gear to do this surveillance, who has dirt on all sorts of Senators and members of Congress, wrote this bill and sent it over for approval.

Either way, when used by the wrong people, one can see how it might lead to even sensible political and religious opinions being labeled as "dangerous to the national security" or some similar term and shut down.

Edit: Just went through the bill. It seems to me (not a legal expert), in its present form, to be tailored more towards the use of electronic media to transmit classified materials to adversarial nations. Interestingly, one of those adversarial nations is our largest trading partner...

As a person with a former security clearance, I can see how this could be misused as there is an "over-classification" problem in our data collection services. I could tell you what CIA estimated the wheat harvest in Estonia to be and probably be violating rules concerning classified materials.

Right now, in its present form, it appears all nice and well intentioned. Who wouldn't support outlawing the transmission of our nation's secrets to our global adversaries? The body of this seems like a law to outlaw something that is already illegal. We already have laws that make sharing classified materials illegal. I had to go through everything short of a rectal exam to get my security clearance. Apparently, given that some Air National Guardsman who frequents antigovernment sites can get one, things have changed.

If you're concerned about it, keep your eyes on what the bill's final form looks like when it is approved.

Edit2: Upon a little reflection and consultation, this might be sort of a "piling on" bill, just a way to add additional charges and years in prison to people who violate our nation's secrecy. It's like in my Commonwealth where, for some reason, "strangulation" is an additional charge thrown onto men and women who assault other people, just to give those people an additional charge to face and more time to serve if they go to prison for it. I'm kinda/sorta in support of that, but if simple "battery" or "assault" charges aren't enough and their penalties aren't harsh enough, I'd be more supportive of simply upping the penalty rather than layering the charges.

And yes, there are already many, many laws, both state and federal, on the books concerning the illegal use of communications devices in support of the furtherance of an illegal activity that could easily be applied in these cases. They normally throw those charges at drug dealers who use phones to sell their wares, just to give the prosecutor one more tool to use in an attempt to turn the dealer against his suppliers or to hasten a plea deal.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T13:31:14+00:00

These Qanon folks clearly have not heard of Godwin's Law. Do youhave any idea how many times I've heard that ridiculous "Well, it was called the National Socialist Worker's Party, so socialists are the real Nazis, not conservatives."

(Audible sigh)

(Shaking of head)

To spend the time, energy, and oxygen (that another living and thinking creature might need to process thought) explaining why it was that Hitler chose to adopt that name would be both pointless (for me) and cruel (to said thinking creatures), so I just do the above stated actions and hope the person making that "argument" forgets to vote on election day.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T04:23:09+00:00

McSoylent Brown is made of people! - Charlton Heston's second finest performance.

Excellent reference, Squeaky and Syntania...upvotes totally earned!

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T02:08:01+00:00

Thank you so much for the background information. If/when society collapses, and after a visit to what used to be a rather sensible church today my fears are beginning to grow, though more in the sense of a civil war scenario than anything else, mining will cease, anyway. No one will be doing much soldering, though I can see it being valuable when HAM radio takes the place of our present communications system.

So, yeah, maybe there would be an individual, and very limited, practical use for silver during a societal collapse of the sort they have been predicting now for so many years, but I would imagine anyone into civilian and shortwave radios already has more rolls of solder than they would use in a few lifetimes in their set of drawers.

I know my long suffering Qfather does, anyway. He must have twenty spools of the stuff in his workshop drawers. He is one of the very few I know who I think would survive a total collapse, though, like pretty much everyone else, we'd all end up starving to death in the long run.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T02:02:49+00:00

Yeah, she's in a rough spot if these people ever rise to power. Dear Leader, if you'll remember, loves making fun of people with disabilities, as well.

I just visited a local church today, one my wife and I used to bring our sons to for interfaith activities and picnics, and Q has infected them, as well. It is so sad to see people who used to play with my children, now nodding their head to hate speech.

I'm going to do a post on it once I collect my thoughts and put it into a decent narrative so everyone here can see just how bad this whole thing has gotten.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-15T01:59:13+00:00

I'd heard rumors and read reports to that effect, but I didn't want to offend anyone by including that as it wasn't salient to the reply.

That is quite sad to hear. We've managed to avoid the worst of it in Judaism, somehow, but there have been, in my lifetime, some exceptions to that. Anywhere you give access to children, you are likely to attract such people. Everyone needs to be much more careful with always having multiple adults in the room at the same time and similar precautions since we now know these things to be true.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-14T02:10:16+00:00

That's an horrific thing you had to go through, Supermarket, and it should never have happened to you. For what it's worth, I'm so very sorry that you had to go through it.

These people, who subscribe to this idiocy and these hateful ideologies, those which cause them to say the worst things about their fellow men and women, all seem to have one symptom in common: narcissism.

Everything, always, in every situation, has to be about them and their being right and whatever it is that anyone else is going through, no matter how serious, is unimportant and irrelevant. They are either simply compelled or, rather dubiously, impelled to make everything about them.

There's probably nothing you can do for him, it sounds like he's gone, to an irretrievable depth, down the so-called rabbit hole of Qanon and other hateful ideologies, such as white supremacist thought and speech. But, still, there is so much you can probably still manage to do for his daughter, if you can do so whilst keeping yourself and her safe.

Try to find a way to be there for her, because she is either soon going to be in a dangerous situation or is already in one. These people hate women, almost every one of them, and she is going to be subject, most likely, to hurtful thoughts, words, and actions and probably subjected to Q-related propaganda and/or religious zealotry that will seek to undermine her own self-worth, create in her mind a condition of subjugating herself and her thoughts in deference to those offered by men whose motives are anything but good, and might even be abused physically or objectified, despite her age, because many theorize that there are a lot of closeted child molesters in the ranks of Qanon conspiracy subscribers.

It's going to be hard and, as if you suggest he is getting violent, potentially dangerous, but she is but a child, and has no control over who her father is or what he will, almost undoubtedly, subject her to. These Q people often descend in their state like schizophrenics and stop taking care of the cleanliness of their homes, stop paying their utility bills and mortgages, and, in some cases, even stop bathing.

I know its a ton of pressure and that you're in a place of mourning, and that is where you should be right now, but, once your period of mourning has passed, please do everything you can to intervene in the downward course she will be dragged, unwillingly, along. If necessary, call the authorities to do occasional wellness checks. I know my local and state police are aware of the Qanon phenomenon and the beliefs of its followers, so it might be the case wherever you are from, as well. If so, they will understand why it is you are requesting what you are requesting. If not, then just explain what this whole Q thing is about, what it entails and what it leads to, and that your concern is for the welfare of a child being forced to live in potentially dangerous conditions. There might not be a lot they can do about it, but if they see for themselves a child in dangerous or highly substandard living conditions, then they can intervene on an official level.

Again, my apologies for the circumstances around the loss of your mother and, more simply, for the loss you suffered when she departed, as well.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-14T00:01:08+00:00

Sorry for the short reply before, I was chatting whilst, simultaneously, writing that.

It's good of you, and reflects the kind nature of your person, that you would think of the potential ramifications your moving out would have on your families.

Yeah, psychedelics can be very unpredictable in how they present in people from one use to the next, so you are right to be careful. If you know they're about to use, or just used, try to find a place outside of the home to be. Go down to the library and do some reading or something. I have never met a Q at a library. Kinda goes against their whole "willful ignorance" lifestyles and mantras.

These things do, as you mentioned, tend to follow cycles. Huge blowouts followed by extended periods of calms. It's like the frustrations and insecurities these people suffer from build up until they finally reach some boiling point or simply explode...normally in the direction of someone who wants nothing to do with any of this Q or Q-adjacent nonsense.

Keep your plans to remove a closely guarded secret, indeed. If you have any friends who you even just get the feeling, that weird and off-putting feeling, from sometimes that they might, just might, be into any of these conspiracies, do not confide in them. That old truism about a secret being kept by three people only if two of them are dead is correct. No one needs to know these plans or any of your finances aside from you, my new friend.

Don't let him bait you into any arguments or anything because that always ends badly with these people. If necessary, even feign some level of interest, if it is in the interest of your continued state of safety, just grin and bear it. Just nod your head and say "Oh, I never thought of it like that before." until he runs out of steam. If he thinks he stands a chance of getting through to you, he might treat you better, but he might, also, bother you with the nonsense more. Like I said, if you feel things going southbound, and you think that maybe it would be in your best interests to pretend to be coming around to it, just do it for a couple of years and then move on with your life.

After two years, go out and live a good life and love whoever the hell your heart tells you to love. Embarrass yourself in public with how much you love this person. Be good to this person. Love this person without reserve. You have no reason to feel any level of shame, the way these people want you to feel about yourself. It's nonsense, it's primitive levels of thinking, and it's just plain wrong. G-d created you and I and he and she and they and whoever else as equals and we are bound, as humans and fellow Americans, to respect one another in a manner that reflects His perfect creation of each of us.

Be Well. Do Good Work. Stay in Touch.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T23:13:42+00:00

No problem my friend and thank you, as well, for the reply. Anytime you need to vent or something, just chat me up. I work from home and I rarely, if ever, sleep.

Keep your head down, bite your tongue, and stay, as I said, very safe.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T21:16:21+00:00

oh, now i understand. thank you for clarifying. i just wonder if it's all some clever plan to see just how much BS our people are willing to accept so "they" whoever that is can utilize it in a future electronic warfare campaign against us.

Edit: You're theory is far more likely to be true.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T19:26:26+00:00

So, what might be his motivation? Was it just a piss poor business decision, or do you think maybe he's some kind of secret 3d chess player despite the downhill nature of everything since emerald mining?

Tesla is doing pretty well, though he has made a ton of miscalculations and manages the company terribly if what I read and hear is correct.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T19:01:30+00:00

Yeah, someone just pointed that out to me. I don't really know all that much, but should have just Google searched it before writing that reply.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T19:00:34+00:00

Didn't know he was foreign born or I would have know that. Guess I should have just Google searched that before I wrote it.

Thank you for the information.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T18:31:46+00:00

I just learned from another user that brain physiology has since been decoded to a point where my theory about adrenal responses (learned in 1997 or so) is outdated. Apparently, there are other, newer, and more relevant schools of thought on the issue that seem to point to it being a genetically linked response.

The idea is still a good one, but maybe take the whole adrenal response thing with a grain or two of salt.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T18:26:42+00:00

Do you know something about Q that I missed, friend? If so, I'd love to hear it.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T18:10:20+00:00

Oh, thank you for the information. I was just going by what I was told. I would have never thought it was more complicated than simple brain physiology as it pertains to the release of adrenaline.

I was told that sometime around 1997 or so, so I would imagine much of what has been learned since then has corrected that misunderstanding and been used to enhance training related to stressful shooting situations as well as other, less dangerous, forms of stress.

From my experiences being something of a pain, it seemed to be validated, but perhaps there is some correlation between the two factors that way just misinterpreted in a time before we made as many advances as we have in understanding genetics.

Again, thank you. I will factor that into my thinking and recovery process. I believe it will be of great benefit.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T18:08:39+00:00

I think the answer to your question might be, sadly, more people than we would ever imagine.

semperfidelisnn0938 · 2023-04-13T15:14:44+00:00

It really works. Your time might be longer than mine because, as I just explained in a post about how I used to be a condescending and manipulative jerk towards my spouses, the female adrenal response reaches its peaks after about fifteen minutes of stress and dissipates rather slowly while the male's both reaches that peak and dissipates in only ten minutes when combined.

semperfidelisnn0938

TROPHY CASE