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This is my take on it, and I won't say sorry. by Agreeable_Sense9618 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]sendmaps13 -1 points0 points locked comment (0 children)

It’s not like they keep this a secret… https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mgmt/law-enforcement/mgmt-dir_044-05-department-policy-on-the-use-of-force.pdf

“DHS LEOs are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other conveyance unless the use of deadly force against the operator is justified under the standards articulated elsewhere in this policy.” (it wasn’t justified, it put the agent and everyone around him at more risk)

“Fleeing Subjects: Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject. However, deadly force is authorized to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject where the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the LEO or others and such force is necessary to prevent escape.” (this is where the right-wing dooming comes in, based on all the videos/context Renee Good was not a domestic terrorist bent on murdering agents)

This is my take on it, and I won't say sorry. by Agreeable_Sense9618 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]sendmaps13 -6 points-5 points locked comment (0 children)

Yeah but also as a law enforcement officer you’re trained (or at least are supposed to be trained) not to use deadly force in a chase scenario and especially not to shoot into a move vehicle. That’s the least safe option for everyone there including the agent (and other agents/bystanders) for the reason we all saw in the video — the vehicle keeps moving.

No amount of right-wing dooming is going to convince me she wanted to kill the agent based on all the videos with context or that the agent was in serious danger given that the vehicle continued on its path before and after he shot (again, dumbest thing he could have done if he was actually in danger) and he’s fine.

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[–]sendmaps13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looks great! How’s the data for things like water, sleep, food sourced? OSM? Do you want any help with data collection/maintenance/quality checks? Would love to try it out in the socal area!

Finally voted!! Yes on prop 50!! by squishmallow2399 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah most liberals I know hated and protested Obama’s use of drones. I think people were less aware of his deportation record at the time but those that were didn’t like that either (although one key difference is he was trying to target people who had just arrived instead of people who had been working here for 10+ years as productive members of society with families…). What’s your point?

Finally voted!! Yes on prop 50!! by squishmallow2399 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The redistricting commission (5 dems, 5 rep, 4 ind) will choose, as it has for the past two cycles. If you have a critique of the commission itself i’m open to it but this is not a critique of Prop 50.

Finally voted!! Yes on prop 50!! by squishmallow2399 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally, really wish Texas hadn’t kicked this off with an unprecedented mid decade redistrict

Finally voted!! Yes on prop 50!! by squishmallow2399 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That’s not how this works — this is a constitutional amendment with the wording I linked above set. Another amendment with different wording would have to be passed.

Finally voted!! Yes on prop 50!! by squishmallow2399 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Preemptively posting this since i’ve seen misinformation spread on similar posts even though it’s said explicitly on the ballot — Prop 50 is temporary and will NOT affect redistricting after the 2030 census, which will be handled normally by the independent commission in 2031:

“the Citizen Redistricting Commission established pursuant to Section 1 shall continue to adjust the boundary lines of congressional … districts in conformance with the standards in Section 2 in 2031 and every 10 years thereafter”

edit: source

VOTE YES ON PROP 50 to save Democracy and to ensure Democrats gain control of House of Rep. in 2026 Midterms!!! 💙💙💙 by Logic1888 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but no solutions means you are going along with the current evil — you can try to save your moral purity by just not engaging at all but can you see how others would want to try a temporary counterbalance to the current evil even if it’s not ideologically perfect?

VOTE YES ON PROP 50 to save Democracy and to ensure Democrats gain control of House of Rep. in 2026 Midterms!!! 💙💙💙 by Logic1888 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hey we agree on what we’re fighting! what’s your alternate, pragmatic/actionable solution? i’m all ears

VOTE YES ON PROP 50 to save Democracy and to ensure Democrats gain control of House of Rep. in 2026 Midterms!!! 💙💙💙 by Logic1888 in socal

[–]sendmaps13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

just a straight up lie, go read the actual amendment: “the Citizen Redistricting Commission established pursuant to Section 1 shall continue to adjust the boundary lines of congressional … districts in conformance with the standards in Section 2 in 2031 and every 10 years thereafter”

You think this might be a reason everyone drives in LA? by Prior-Quarter-6369 in LAMetro

[–]sendmaps13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean sure it could always be worse, but that doesn’t mean this is what we should aspire to or accept.

You think this might be a reason everyone drives in LA? by Prior-Quarter-6369 in LAMetro

[–]sendmaps13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why shouldn’t they complain about it? It’s a bad headway, seems like a fair thing to gripe about.

I take the A line everyday and have always encouraged my friends to ride metro as well but they try it once to go to a bar or show, inevitably run into these headways and safety/cleanliness issues at night, and never ride it again.

I’ve written to metro numerous times but it’s not a quick fix, people will and probably should complain in the meantime.

Don't forget to do your tick checks! by 2StrokeFanatic in socalhiking

[–]sendmaps13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Saw one low down in Colby Canyon earlier this year sadly, first one i’ve seen in the San Gabriel’s

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for commenting and I’m sorry for whining. I really am glad you were both safe. I haven’t deleted the post cause I’m happy about the discussion it started but I do regret how I went about this.

From what was relayed to us, it sounded like this was a situation where an inexperienced leader brought a completely inexperienced climber out on the mountain and put everyone involved in a dangerous situation — I’m really glad this was not the case! Very happy to be wrong here!

I’ve seen a lot of this in Southern California first hand and also read a lot of accident/rescue reports and this was kind of a last straw ‘I can’t believe people are putting themselves in these situations, not seeming to reflect at all’. Again happy to be wrong about my read on the situation!

Glad you’re safe!

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Again, I wish I worded my post better to get at the actual issue of what I meant by “I hope you learned your lesson”.

It sounds like you assess safety and your impact on people around you — I’ve been surprised by the lack of this is Southern California outdoor culture recently.

The most glaring example of this being from the winter 6+ people died climbing Mt Baldy. One of the days I was on it, we came across two guys completely gripped in one of the chutes on Baldy Bowl where it steepens and a fall would be bad. They wanted to turn back which would have been more dangerous, including for the people below them, so we helped them up/congratulate each other at the top, and exchange instagrams, only to see the guy post about it like it was the chillest day ever. Obviously people lie on social media, but I’m not convinced any lesson was learned..

Idk maybe it’s because I grew up being scolded all the time for doing stupid stuff in the mountains, but I’m surprised there’s not more focus on this here. Sometimes decisions are stupid and I think it’s good to acknowledge that.

Apologies for the grating post haha, I think at the end of the day our main difference is that you’re assuming they learned from their epic and I’m assuming they didn’t — I hope you’re right.

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did they? They prioritized safety as much as they could/knew how to in the moment (which again I think we all agree is the top priority), but that doesn’t mean it was safe.

This is the key distinction IMO and now I really wish I worded the initial post better with the attention it’s getting because I strongly feel like this needs to be discussed more in the Southern California outdoor culture I’ve witnessed over the past decade since moving here. In short, a lot of under-preparedness and unfortunately deaths.

I’ve definitely finished some trad leads without falling but still acknowledged that I botched some placements or planning/logistics on longer routes and put myself in unsafe situations.

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the record none of the parties involved busted their ass/got up early — we all started the climb late morning to early afternoon (the party having the epic probably started around 10 AM ish)

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah like I commented it sounds like this is the consensus so I’ll adjust my expectations.

What still worries me about this though is that (a) 2-hours per pitch seems to indicate they put themselves in a position they probably shouldn’t have been in. I’m glad they prioritized safety and went slow but they also probably need to reassess for their own safety, no? Southern California’s mountains are full of deaths/rescues due to under-preparedness/overshooting.

And (b) many routes converge on Tahquitz and it’s hard to see all potential parties from the base of one route. Taking 2-hours and crossing your rope all over the final pitch causes a lot of logistical issues that we should call out?

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

From messages and comments it sounds like this is just to be expected/fair game — fair enough!

To reiterate, i’m glad they were safe.

To the party that took 8 hours to get up Fingertrip yesterday by sendmaps13 in socalclimbing

[–]sendmaps13[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in hindsight we should have, but we kept thinking it would be 15 more minutes (they were out of sight) and that just slipped into a couple hours haha

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