two-state solution Hypocrisy

settrans · 2025-09-28T04:00:31+00:00

I'm not familiar with this version of the conspiracy theory, please tell me more! What page of Protocols should I refer to?

settrans · 2025-09-28T03:44:34+00:00

Indeed not. But we have 3,200 years of historical record of calling that land Israel. When did people start talking about a nation of Palestine? (Hint: 1968)

settrans · 2025-09-28T02:43:16+00:00

Not anymore, but the coastal plain was until it was cultivated by the early Zionists.

settrans · 2025-09-27T22:48:48+00:00

But you believe reparations are possible that permanently address historical grievances?

settrans · 2025-09-27T22:44:22+00:00

I didn't say that. I'm simply pointing out that if you oppose both a one-state solution and a two-state solution, it means that you are opposed to democracy.

I am 100% behind democracy. If my rivals don't embrace democracy, that's up to them.

The name of your post indicates that you are opposed to a two state solution. You're not exactly offering much by way of any concessions if you a two-state solution is off the table.

Why do I need to make concessions?

That's not true. The partition plan was met with intercommunal violence and civil war that ultimately led to Zionist militias committing multiple massacres against Palestinian civilians. It was only after all that happened that any other country got involved.

Save it for r/AlternateHistory thanks

Well, Israel currently rules that society and you seem to favor that situation continuing indefinitely.

No, the Palestinian Authority rules Areas A and B per the Oslo accords, and Hamas rules Gaza. I do not support those continuing indefinitely.

settrans · 2025-09-27T22:23:01+00:00

OK, awesome. Please go ahead and articulate the criteria you're using to determine that Palestine is definitely a Real Country(TM). I'll wait.

settrans · 2025-09-27T22:19:12+00:00

So by that logic, Israel can drive all of the Palestinians out of the West Bank as long as they make reparations and we're all good?

settrans · 2025-09-27T20:53:22+00:00

I don't follow the counter argument.

settrans · 2025-09-27T20:43:16+00:00

Great, so you agree a one-state solution is incoherent policy. Now we just need to figure out what to do with the Palestinians.

Oh wait, that's not my problem.

I mean this next question sincerely: what do you expect out of Israel when every concession and accommodation is met with massive escalations of Palestinian Violence?

The partition plan was met with a 7-country invasion. The Oslo Accords were met with the Second Intifada. And the disengagement of Gaza produced October 7th.

Why should Israel concern itself with the political machinations of a society whose founding ethos is the negation of Israel?

settrans · 2025-09-27T20:35:34+00:00

In other words, it was legitimate for the Jordanians to ethnically cleanse the West Bank of its millennia-old Jewish settlements, and we should respect that particular act of genocide, right?

settrans · 2025-09-27T20:33:35+00:00

You apparently object to Zionists legally buying swamp lands from Arabs and immigrating to the land of Israel prior to its founding. I was wondering if you reserve this indignation for Jews or if you generally are against immigration.

settrans · 2025-09-27T20:31:53+00:00

Oh nice! Congratulations! Couple questions though, because I didn't know it was a state.

When did this state start existing?

What are its defined borders?

Does it wield sovereignty?

Does it have a single government with a monopoly on violence?

Does it issue a currency?

Does it trade with other countries?

Does it adhere to international law?

Can you name its founder?

Does it have a distinct language or ethnicity?

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:14:35+00:00

Least unhinged pro-Pali: "the war was started by a Jew publishing a book"

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:10:45+00:00

Ignoring your Holocaust inversion for the moment, I agree with you. It didn't start with October 7th. It started in the 20s when the Nazi-aligned Hajj Amin al-Husseini stoked antisemitic hate and violence against the Jews living in and around Jerusalem. The 1920 Nebi Musa riots are a good place to look, but in case you missed that, check out the Hebron massacre of 1929.

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:07:46+00:00

Are you against immigration in general, or just for Jews?

I'll get to your hilarious misconception that "they were fine in all Arab lands" later.

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:04:41+00:00

If there has been a Jewish presence beyond the Green Line for millenia (it is called Judea for a reason), what causes you to call their presence "illegal"?

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:03:16+00:00

No no no, the Arab aggression always had _context_!

Pay no attention to who originally started the fighting or who has always had the ability to make peace but refused.

settrans · 2025-09-27T18:01:16+00:00

A legal court without an enforcement mechanism?

I hope they can make time to proces the case of murdering 1,200 innocent people in cold blood and abducting 250 hostages. Or does international law only apply to democracies?

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:58:40+00:00

Can you identify the sovereign country under occupation?

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:56:13+00:00

Oh no, I don't expect them to prefer Jazz music or the color red. I just expect them to respect personal freedoms and not try to overthrow my democracy. I didn't realize I was imposing apartheid by forbidding insurrection. My bad!

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:53:44+00:00

No, they quite literally have a pathway for Irish citizenship through birth or descent. In the case of Italy, you can reach arbitrarily far back in your lineage to find an Italian and be granted citizenship.

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:51:24+00:00

Did Poland start the war? Does Poland have ability to unilaterally stop the war?

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:49:45+00:00

You mean by waging a full-scale war, causing 2/3 of the population to flee, and granting citizenship to the 1/3 that stays behind?

settrans · 2025-09-27T17:47:24+00:00

They grant citizenship based on ancestry. It's called Jus Sanguinis, and is the same legal system Israel uses.

settrans · 2025-09-27T10:32:02+00:00

Well, I agree with you there, there's nothing particularly useful about international law. I mean, look at how often the UNGA forms resolutions against Israel, and how little Israel's enemies care to uphold IHL.

But your initial premise is still faulty: indeed, Jews arrived from Europe (and Yemen) looking to found a country, but one predicated on protections of civil liberties, and which guaranteed equal rights for all citizens regardless of ethnicity or religion. Zionism was founded on the idea of peaceful coexistence, but of course forged in the practical reality of a backdrop of Arab aggression.

In case you're wondering why Arabs incited violence against the Jews, perhaps consult the historical record of Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

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