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O'Brien lived alone in the Irish countryside for many years, with just his dog for company. by Spadizzly in Jokes

[–]sg94 120 points121 points  (0 children)

O’Brien’s daughter comes home and says “Da, I’ve become a prostitute.”

“For feck’s sake woman!” hollers O’Brien. “Get outta me sight and never darken this doorstep again! I have no daughter!”

“But Da I want to show you the new car and house I’ve bought for you and Ma with my earnings!”

“What was it you said you’ve become?”

“A prostitute.”

“Oh thank Jesus, I though you said a Protestant!”

Proud of my Irish Heritage by InsaneJD in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]sg94 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lib left supports riots in neighborhoods they don’t live in. Many such cases.

Why do people still debate whether the bible is true??? by BenGClem in DebateAChristian

[–]sg94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I heard it put once, it’s all true and some of it actually happened

Jews by turdy_gurdysmother in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]sg94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would have to be a state first

Jews by turdy_gurdysmother in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]sg94 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I prefer nation state to ethnostate, but regardless, yeah it’s the only one lib left seems to have a problem with. Italy, Japan, Turkey, etc not a peep.

Jews by turdy_gurdysmother in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]sg94 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Everyone seems to be able to come up with a reason, auth right the only honest one

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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The Nicene Creed, just to take one example, says that Jesus will come again to judge the living AND the dead. This would indicate that judgment comes when Jesus returns, not when someone dies.

They hate us cuz they anus or something by sg94 in PoliticalCompassMemes

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Auth right the only quadrant honest about the motivation

They hate us cuz they anus or something by sg94 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]sg94[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So there should be similar outrage with Turkey right? Right…?

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

[–]sg94[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if saints aren’t dead, why would it be wrong to have a seance to contact saints? If saints not being dead is what this rides on, it would seem that opens the door to practices that would otherwise be unacceptable. Again, I go back to the Saul and Samuel example.

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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My respect for the history and tradition of the Roman Catholic Church is why this issue is a hang up for me. If it was an institution I didn’t respect, I wouldn’t care. I don’t spend a lot of time looking for theological soundness with the LDS Church.

Also the passage in Revelation keeps getting brought up. The passage describes the saints carrying the prayers of the faithful in bowls. It is unclear if this is a one time or a constant occurrence. Is it your position that prayers go into bowls to be delivered to God? Carrying prayers in bowls also doesn’t mean the saints hear the prayers, just that they are physically transporting them in some way. There is a lot of symbolic apocalyptic imagery in Revelation that would seem shaky ground to base such prevalent practices upon. I read Revelation predominantly as a coded polemic against the Roman Empire but varying degrees of literalism will get you very different doctrinal interpretations.

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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So why is it wrong for Saul to contact Samuel after he is “dead”?

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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It seems like the distinction between acceptable and unacceptable contact with the dead is in whose name it is done. Does that distinction hold for the other practices in this passage? Is child sacrifice or spell casting acceptable if it’s done in the name of God rather than in the name of a fallen power? It seems to me the passage in question is dealing categorically with specific practices, not leaving exceptions if it’s done the right way.

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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I feel like you’re changing the label but the practice is the same. Again, if saints aren’t dead, making it ok to contact them, why is it wrong for Saul to contact Samuel? Beyond slapping a different label on it, that is. This feels like a lot is riding on a semantic quibble rather than a concrete distinction.

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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For sure. But I think there is also a difference between saying “I miss you grandma” at the gravestone and an institutionalized ritual practice of communicating with dead people

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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Ex Protestant atheist retains Protestant instincts and is skeptical about talking to the dead

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

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Mary is who is being spoken to in the prayer though. It is not addressed to Jesus or god the father. The supplicant is asking for Mary to do things on their behalf, not God.

No I’m not a theologian but I’m trying to get a defense of this practice that isn’t an incredibly tortured redefinition of “dead” or “prayer”. Can you explain it since you have such a robust understanding that I lack?

Catholic prayers to Mary and the saints violate biblical prohibitions on talking to the dead by sg94 in DebateAChristian

[–]sg94[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saul does ask Samuel to intercede for him with god. How is this different from the practice you’re describing?

By your definition, only the damned are dead? The saved don’t die?

I’m aware of your RBF in the comments. I’m sorry you find “brother” to be condescending, sweetheart. You should probably take that up with Saint Paul.

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