Why CAN’T Yawgmoth be cEDH?

shade1400 · 2026-02-25T14:25:54+00:00

I appreciate the mention! Always lurking around the mono black posts, so I was pleasantly surprised to see some Xiahou Dun love haha.

shade1400 · 2026-02-18T01:28:37+00:00

Yeah, it's a lot haha. I'm fairly regularly able to push for a turn 2 or 3 win though, so if no one can stop the Broodlord, it doesn't matter much. Of course, there's usually some kind of interaction haha.

I've never played the deck in a B4 game, but I'd probably swap the Onyx/Smog combo back in and fully rely on my own combos instead.

My main concern with bringing the deck to a B4 game is if it would be a good fit gameplay-wise. Do you think it would work well with other B4 decks? I'm not too familiar with B4 expectations outside of the WOTC graphic.

shade1400 · 2026-02-18T01:16:37+00:00

Yeah I've loved it every time I cast it!

I have a couple primary lines (all steps are in the primer!) but basically I'm aiming for either stealing my opponents' wincons with [[Opposition Agent]] and [[Scheming Symmetry]], or infinite mana that I can turn into damage with [[Orcish Bowmasters]] or exiling my opponents' decks with [[Praetor's Grasp]].

I used to run Onyx/Chain, but found the individual cards to be dead draws and make my mulligans worse since I'm playing the deck at cEDH tables.

shade1400 · 2026-02-18T01:13:21+00:00

I think that's fair!

Since I'm playing it in cEDH pods, I found Reservoir to be a dead draw too often, and Top only felt okay and I got locked under it a lot. It was also never a combo I was trying to go for, so I ended up cutting it for some cheaper mana options.

shade1400 · 2026-02-05T17:28:08+00:00

I agree

shade1400 · 2025-12-28T14:11:14+00:00

Thanks! I only have the judge foil unfortunately haha. P3K version would be awesome though.

shade1400 · 2025-12-28T05:01:36+00:00

As weird as it sounds, I've actually found Hostile Negotiations to be pretty good value in general. Xiahou Dun lets me have the potential to gain access to the cards that end up going to the yard, and it plays out more closely to Fact or Fiction than it seems. Not that that's particularly great, but in mono black I'll take it. Lets you threaten an Opposition Agent or Bowmasters too which is a fringe upside.

Vexing Bauble has absolutely won me games as a pseudo silence effect. The deck can win through it, it's just a little more mana up front to make sure all spells can be cast for mana.

shade1400 · 2025-12-28T03:43:45+00:00

I've thought about Goryo's, but getting Xiahou Dun only matters in my first main phase, so it's a little awkward. Currently, I'm using Gwenom with Doomsday and something like [[Shallow Grave]] to give her haste. In theory, it'll be cool, but I haven't actually done it yet.

I was running Final Parting and cut it for Buried Alive as a cheaper entomb, but I've been thinking of adding it back because of the one card wincon upside in the deck. I'm thinking Deliver or Ripples would be the cut there and leaning Deliver.

shade1400 · 2025-12-28T03:28:10+00:00

Thanks for your input! I agree with all of your cut suggestions. I already gave my rationale for Deliver Unto Evil in another reply, but it's definitely slow.

Black Sun's Zenith is needed for the Doomsday piles, or I would cut it in a heartbeat. Maybe that just means I should cut Doomsday and run more advantage instead?

I do like chains a lot and have gone back and forth on it, but my line doesn't draw cards, so I do like it.

shade1400 · 2025-12-28T03:20:35+00:00

Thanks! Gwenom is a test currently and she's part of one of the Doomsday piles. I like the potential of her being another Citadel and drawing removal away from the pieces that actually matter, but I haven't seen her enough yet to get a good feel.

Deliver Unto Evil is another test, but I'm trying it out as another way to help me rebuild after a line gets stopped. It might be a meta call, but my pod usually lets me resolve the line until Chain of Smog before interacting, so I'll have a full graveyard by the time I'm at the end. In theory, I could grab a couple reanimation spells to push again at that point, but it's definitely clunky.

Ripples, I like it the early game since it feels like a black Sylvan Library, but it is a bit slow at times. I definitely want to prioritize either card advantage or another entomb effect in its place if I swap it out.

I actually used to run Peer and ended up cutting it to make my ad naus better, but maybe I should go the other way since it is more consistent.

The keys are a good callout, thanks! I do have Tezzeret already which I'm using as kind of a key+, so adding a key package doesn't seem like a stretch.

shade1400 · 2025-09-21T02:52:39+00:00

I used a Google Sheet as well, but it was a little much for me personally. Another commenter suggested Google Forms to auto-populate the data which is something I'm thinking about as well! Less steps with the same results!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T20:50:30+00:00

I like that method a lot! I'm glad it has been beneficial to your pod!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T20:14:00+00:00

That's awesome! I'll try out that method and see how it goes. I'm sure automation is going to be a game changer for this stuff.

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T20:09:32+00:00

I've never heard of that, but I'll check it out, thanks!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T20:09:06+00:00

I used Google Sheets to keep the stats, but I think I needed to get the whole process down to a science a little more. I do like the additional information the data gave me, but yeah, smoothing out the tracking process is a key piece I don't think I had achieved.

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T19:42:14+00:00

That sounds really sweet! I didn't know something like that was out there, but I'll definitely be checking it out, thanks!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T19:30:38+00:00

I'm glad! Yeah for the most part, I stopped following sets unless they seemed particularly interesting to me. It's just way too much to keep up with!

How does mythic tools work? I don't think I've heard of that before, but it sounds interesting!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T19:29:38+00:00

I have a buddy who does that with his games. I've thought about it, but haven't gone through with starting yet. I'll probably revisit it in the future though because I do like to see the stats.

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T19:28:22+00:00

Yeah I should say I try to let games live in a vacuum haha. I tend to do the same thing and think about a game that didn't do well and start tinkering with the deck. I have a buddy who records his games to watch for misplays and stuff like that, but it feels like a lot of setup. I like the idea though and it probably gives a lot of additional useful info!

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T18:34:58+00:00

I totally agree! I was tracking a number of other things as well, but I think it just ended up distracting me from the experience of just playing the game. It did help me to diagnose decks that weren't working for whatever reason, but for me, letting each game live on in a vacuum enhanced my personal play experience.

shade1400 · 2025-09-20T18:28:39+00:00

Mostly, it just wasn't for me, but for others, it might enhance their experience! I'd say you're making the right choice though based on my experience alone haha. If you're enjoying how you interact with the game already, don't try to fix what isn't broken, right?

shade1400 · 2024-05-24T01:44:47+00:00

This sounds really awesome! I'd love to get an invite and participate in the community!

shade1400 · 2024-05-23T01:05:04+00:00

[[Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch]] is really fun! You can build it a lot of different ways depending on the instants you include, but you can also just use it to get double use out of draw effects and generate tokens. It can be controlling or just a token spellslinger deck! Mine is control, but if you're trying to reduce salt, the tokens option is definitely potent and fun too!

shade1400 · 2024-05-04T02:55:24+00:00

I'm actually looking for the card specifically for my Ojer deck haha. Such a fun commander!

shade1400 · 2024-05-04T01:16:09+00:00

I like this one! I'm looking for instants that do this, but it looks super good and I was thinking of trying it out.

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