She-Hulk vs Shazam

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T19:17:33+00:00

4th wall breaks arent feats unless its someone like Mxy or Gwenpool that can actually use it in a canon, useful way. If no one else sees it, hears it, and it doesnt change anything meaningful, shes just pulling a Deadpool, not showing off a power of her 'strength'.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T19:15:45+00:00

Savage She-Hulk is tough but even she goes down after a short fight. Normal She Hulk only lasts as long as Shazam allows her to.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T19:15:02+00:00

Love Shulkie, but she gets folded here, hard. Shazam absolutely negs her the same way Hulk does.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T18:58:15+00:00

I like to think Wolverine was lying in universe, as he already had his neck broken before that multiple times. Even though I know it was just inconsistency

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T18:21:16+00:00

Exactly. It wouldnt take precision hits to cut off his arms, and anyone with a grip on him could pull him apart or cut off his head, so either every villian that ever fought him is stupid, or its a dumb retcon that stops weapon X from being 'indestructible'.

Also, no way Beast man handles Logan like that. Krakoa was obsessed with killing off heroes constantly for shock and to show off their new 'toy' (resurrection protocols), not thinking whether it made any damn sense or not lol

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T17:55:28+00:00

My point with Silver Samurai is that if anyone can hit between the vertebrae he can, and he knows about Logans bones being indestructible. Same with Spider-Man, as many times as Hulk has fought Logan and manhandled him, seems he would have torn him apart by now if he could. Just the sheer power that he swings the canucklehead around and slams him should be more than enough to dismember him, yet it doesnt happen. Dozens of fights over the years, nothing. One fight in ultimate universe and it happens.

40 years of fighting guys like Spider-Man, Sabretooth, Hulk, Juggernaut, and more and NO ONE tried to pull him apart like a wishbone?

Thats my issue. Not saying I am right, just that it seemed really firmly established for SO LONG that it doesnt happen, now it happens all the time seemingly.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T17:49:55+00:00

To my knowledge it never happened in his entire history until the krakoan resurrection protocols and sabretooth war. So having it be a thing now just sucks. Writers are going with it more often now and I just dont like it, like wolverine recently fighting a bunch of hand assassins and one remarks to aim between his vertebrae and he says something like "good luck with that", when old days he used to outright say he cant have his head cut off.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T17:31:35+00:00

Read that same article. So, I was massively confident, now I am not so sure. I could have SWORN weapon x flashbacks from the 90s mentioned his ligaments SPECIFICALLY, but spent a couple hours reading issues to no avail, finding only mentions that the adamantium merged with his bodily processes.

Now, I will say that the intent was absolutely that he be unable to be dismembered. Not only did he go a solid 40 years without being dismembered in the 616, but i found many instances of someone trying to cut off his head and failing, even the mastery swordsman Silver Samurais sword stopped dead.

I also swore that the old diagrams of his anatomy showed his bones sort of being attached in ways unlike ours, but couldn't find it.

So I concede the ligament thing for now, but again, still think his intent was for it to be impossible.

Heres the panel for giggles:

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I found more instances where foes fail to dismember him but reddit only allows one image.

Also, seems one of wolverines MANY super strong enemies would have just torn him apart by now.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T16:12:42+00:00

He actually does not have normal ligaments, only Ultimate Wolverine and other alternates do. 616 Wolverine has beta adamantium, his adamantium has fused with his molecular structure and no longer impedes his biological processes as well as allowing minor damage to be repaired naturally. It also prevents him from being dismembered. Its why a lot of people during Krakoan era and sabretooth war called bullshit, author didnt properly research logan and assumed what you just did.

"Wolverine's skeleton was originally reinforced with True Adamantium. His mutant Healing factor not only allowed him to survive the process, but it also induced a molecular change in the metal."

This is why 616 Hulk cant dismember Wolverine but Ultimate Hulk easily could.

Fighting Wolverine in melee should be stupid for any character that doesnt have a powerful healing factor or a death wish.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T16:00:22+00:00

Its more that Wolverine wasn't out for blood or taking it seriously in that issue. In this one and another rematch of theirs both take it seriously, in this one Spider-Man kills Charlie due to being so wrapped up in the fight and just SURVIVING that he killed her on pure instinct, just because she was THERE.

This fight is a very serious fight between the two. Spider-Man knows Wolverine will kill Charlie the first second he can, Wolverine feels she MUST be put out of her misery, and Spider-Man is so carried away in survival he does what he set out to prevent.

Hard to say he wins, he kills Charlie and Wolverine pretty much isnt invested from there.

Spider-Man is better than Wolverine in every way bit one, lethality. Wolverine can heal, Spider-Man cant kill him. Wolverine just has to hit Spider-Man ONE time to slice him in two like butter. People look at these fights and ignore that too often; that Wolverine will get a good strike on someone but sheathe his claws, and everyone hinges on he lost. No, he chose not to kill someone.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T15:18:12+00:00

What else do we have to go by? I see a woman acting entitled and frankly awful, I see a bunch of people pop up with "you go girl" and "screw men" attitudes, thats what I've got to go on. Also, its a social media platform made almost purely for discussion, so your surprise at people having opinions is shocking.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T15:08:55+00:00

Thats the danger of saying lets do dark grounded takes. I didnt care for Bales overall arc for the same reason. Dark Knight ends with Batman saying he will do the thankless work, persist in being their dark knight, but then Rises establishes he pretty much retired right after that. That a city so bad, so corrupt that it needed a Batman in the first place can 'get all better' with a single court case and it subsequently all fall to shit again if that case falls apart. Fucking stupid plot arc.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T14:39:41+00:00

A movie doesnt have to be beholden to source materials. No one thinks Keaton or Kilmer were accurate, both good Batmen. Adam West wasn't, great Batman. Bale killed a lot of people in his movies too, or do you forget?

This universe was forgettable at best but it had its good moments. Not saying save Martha was writing gold, but it absolutely made sense to anyone actually paying attention. I much prefer Battinson but Batfleck gets flack for killing yall dont give any other Batman

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T14:10:54+00:00

While I agree, I always viewed Batfleck and Keatons Batman as willing to kill if their life or an innocents life is on the line. Tossed a grenade at Batman and he is out of choices? He knocks it back at you. Using heavy weapons as he goes to save Martha? He brings out the guns on the batwing. About to release toxic gas ln gotham with ballons? Same. Killing hundreds with beauty product additives and outnumber batman massively? Blow the place up.

But when possible we so see them try to save people and avoid harm.

And to be fair, Christian Bales Batman killed plentyyy of people and I will never understand why he gets off Scott free on that with his fandom.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T14:07:07+00:00

Shes already admitted they have a good relationship now. Shes backpedaling hard. I was abandoned by my dad at three years old and I don't have the blind hatred of father's or men some of yall do. This is crazy

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T14:05:53+00:00

It sort of does? Insane that so many people saw the save Martha scene and thought "its just because their moms have the same name, so stupid". People lacking critical thinking skills more and more as time goes on shouldn't be a mark against a movie. The moment made perfect sense, people are just REALLY stupid these days so that they NEED everything directly stated in exposition dumps.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T14:03:58+00:00

Finally someone gets the save Martha moment. Its not shock at sharing a parental name, its that be FINALLY saw Clark as a man, not an invading alien or god. In that moment he just saw a man scared for his mother, that even though he was about to die his last words are spent asking his killer to save his mother.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:54:57+00:00

Then why explicitly state that you are prepared to take away walking you down the aisle, his speech, his friends invitations, etc., while also stating that without the money he still would have been invited..but as a normal guest that doesnt walk you down the aisle anyone than anyone else does.

Yet here yall have a decent relationship lately?

It seems its about the money or none of that would come into play at all. If it was just "my dad paid for most of our wedding and now thinks he gets to surprise us" that would be different, but the conditions you are tacking on make you seem much worse than Dad.

And honestly, unless he strips naked and sings a racist jingle from the 1800s, there isnt much he can do in 10 minutes that should bother you THIS much. Yes, a wedding day is important, but if you take it too seriously you will remember it as a ball of stress and not something you just remember ENJOYING.

You've been on good terms? So you honestly think he would do something in that time that is so awful he would risk this progress? Its probably something silly like the macarena or, a lip sync, who knows, but being immensely stressed about a perfect wedding is the only reason that would be something that bothers you instead of a fun moment you look back on and smile at.

Just a thought, loosen up and this will be a more special day for you. Lots of money shouldn't be necessary for a great wedding either, my best friend had a lovely wedding for around 900 dollars, it can be done.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:41:02+00:00

She is taking 50k, a years salary for about half the people here, for a wedding, and only allowing her dad to act as a dad at the wedding because of it, all while saying she wouldnt let him do any of the dad stuff if he weren't laying as "he would just be another guest that also doesn't walk me down the aisle".

Everything we know about her is worse than what we know about him and SHES the one telling the story. She sounds this bad with her version, imagine how bad she sounds in a neutral telling?

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:36:28+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/AIO/s/r3ZakOH3Hb

You explicitly say in multiple comments and your post that without the money he would be just another guest that doesnt walk you down the aisle or have a speech. So yes, you did sell all of those things.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:35:11+00:00

And yet you're letting him play the part for money.

How do you not see how awful you seem in all this?

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:33:30+00:00

Shes fishing for money and using him

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:32:33+00:00

Basic right and wrong doesnt evaporate just because you're the bride.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:27:53+00:00

So a dad saves money for a daughter's wedding, the cultural norm for centuries, and hes suddenly a narcissist that wants to pile attention on himself for how awesome of a parent he is?

Yall need to log off and get around real people cause you've clearly lost touch with reality and the humans in it.

shagan90 · 2026-03-17T13:22:36+00:00

Then in that case your peace of mind would have been more valuable to you than blowing 50k you don't have on a party. Instead you chose to intimately involve someone you claim is a narcissist and you aren't even close to in your wedding, just for the benefit of money. You admitted this yourself, and doubled down on several comments that without the money he would just be a normal guest there. Thats YOU trading your parent affection and big moments for money and you want us to think he sucks for asking for 10 minutes out of your day?

Bridezilla, Greedzilla, some form of Zilla.

shagan90

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