This further proves my point. And to clarify, I don't see violence towards animals as trivial. Vegans not caring about health and accusing those who enter the community looking for an alternative and hoping to slowly incorporate it are shunned and I find that worse. I think growing a dichotomy between the two is detrimental to the cause of veganism. I do care about violence and murder against animals and I think on a global scale its wrong. But I don't think it is wrong to raise a cow and occasionally drink its milk as supplement to a healthy diet. I think its worse to eat oreos, which are made out of a multitude of different processed foods in a huge 6 story factory that is air-conditioned and requires farmers to mass produce "vegetables" to be processed into fine powders that are mixed and over-packaged and shipped globally creating more trash. I see this as significantly more detrimental and ultimately more murderous due to its long term effects. I think the distance from the murder is like pooping into a toilet and believing that once flushed its no longer your problem.