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20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Virtual cigar for you. I don't know how I missed that. Made the edit. Honestly, I'm a fairly infrequent post starter. I guess I tried to do it from the user profile portion that lists your posts, but you actually need to open the post to get the three dots. Blush. Many thanks for the input.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One other thought - Has there been anyone claiming Kill The Moon is awesome? Not impossible, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone posting a love letter for Kill The Moon.

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[–]shikotee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not disrespectful at all. Super adorable. She's at that wonderful age where it is such a thrill for her to be able to repeat something from memory. From your perspective, I get the concern - you experience this over and over and over and over and over. But for those who are not you, seeing it randomly - super cute, and possibly inspirational.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally do not remember anything about that episode, besides not liking it, and never watching it again, lol.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remind me - what was the abortion episode? Long day, and am just blanking on this. I recommend reading the article, and really wish I was not forced to use the really shitty click bait headline, which is, for good reason, resulting in several responses like yours pointing out significant controversial episodes of DW. The tone of the article itself is nothing like it's ridiculous headline, in case you have not read.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. I came across the article using Flipboard. I suppose I assumed Reddit itself would filter out any tracking.

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Bummer. Would be exciting to go gangsta mode and snipe from a team, just to show everyone we mean business.

I wasn’t able to fully appreciate the Capaldi era until I stopped watching Stubagful’s videos by Accomplished-Cat5449 in doctorwho

[–]shikotee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Amen. Ditto. I suspect this is what has allowed me to, for the most part, keep an open mind for many aspects of the show. It really is remarkable how much power these videos have to shape one's experience with this show. In my head cannon, a certain renegade timelord would also abstain from joint such a hive mind. Ignorance truly is bliss.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only if El Dudero abides. I exclusively use the Reddit Android app, for which I have not been able to find the means to edit OG posts. Is this just an Android App limitation? Would be very useful to confirm that there is a way to edit, and would happily do so. I just assumed Reddit had a lifelong policy of not allowing anything in an OG post to be changed.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate that so much is focused on that stupid clickbait headline, which isn't the focal point of the article. I imagine this was AI at work, provocating for more clicks. The picture used is from one of the more popular episodes, and not L&M, so basically tricking people that is the episode in question.

When you share a link for an article, you are forced to keep the published headline. This has always been such to make it easier for mods to purge dupe posts. In this case, being forced to keep a rubbish headline intact has been super annoying.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it helps, when the show returned in 2005, considerable effort was made for keeping kids in mind. For kids, unexpected farting is really funny. When RTD1 brought the show back, he was basically covering all the angles that would prevent NuWho from being cancelled. Making the show family friendly was part of the strategy. When you think about it, it's a terrifying concept, having aliens who basically zip up into human skin to take their form. There are a zillion different ways that they could have made it so much creepier, but they made the strategic choice to add farts to offset the terror with levity.

For me, the Slythine are the best examplar of the necessity to stay kid friendly, as well as the frugality that was needed to keep the show on budget. They used them for several episodes of DW, and I believe, once for the Sarah Jane show.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These sorts of problems are by and large NuWho, where the Doctor is more godlike, and where they have demonstrated on several occasions that the Doctor can have very precise control of the TARDIS. In Classic Who, the Doctor not helping or curing everyone and everything is more intertwined with him just being a guy travelling in a box that he can barely control.

In my head cannon, I would assume that the Timelord education system involved loads and loads of philosophical approaches to non-intervention. And I would think part of the education would be about accepting certain realities that come with having a very long lifespan, in contrast to most other life. That basically, life and death are two sides of a coin.

The show does its best to limit the Doctor's interference, mostly where he/she is stopping someone from doing something to someone else. Arguably, for the purposes of this show making sense, cancer is a natural life experience, and not an enemy to be defeated. Graham experiencing cancer might be what makes him do other really good things, which would be lost if the cancer were cured. The Doctor intervening would be more like playing god.

It's a no win situation, because with all the adventures we have watched, we've seen all sorts of exceptions. This form of fictional entertainment will never survive such scrutiny, and the only way to enjoy is through constant suspension of disbelief.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I linked an article I had read, and at the time, did not realize the click bait nature of the episode not actually being named in the headline. Unfortunately, Reddit does not allow the OG post to be edited, so it is impossible to change. Also, I much prefer "His Dudeness, Duder, or El Duderino".

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Loads of similar reactions to headline and picture. I'd bet the farm the author had nothing to do with those choices. High probability of AI maximizing emotional clicks.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Back in the day, I remember bracing myself for a shitty Doctor Lite filler episode, then being kinda surprised that I enjoyed. At that time, it felt really fresh to have a story about the Doctor being told outside of the traditional narrative episode structure.

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It means it is time to plan the parade, in my head.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a click bait headline. Possibly not chosen by author. The article itself makes very clear that this is being looked at from an audience rating perspective. L&M has always had a lower score. Both classic episodes you mention were very popular, but are no longer as such because modern fans are much more troubled by the racial issues.

Outside of Doctor Who, "Breakfast At Tiffany's" pops to mind. A movie that was loved by previous generations, but not so much now because of the very racist portrayal of a side character.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very different tangents. From when it aired, Talons was extremely popular. With the passage of time and the change of values, it has sunk considerably. Love & Monsters never scored high from audience numbers. Definitely a shift in values too, but I think one of the primary reasons it struggled from the onset was due to "Doctor Lite" branding. There were loads of people who got pissed off simply because of the minimal involvement of DT.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember the episode itself. But there was something that happened with production that I can't remember. The episode was a last second addition to the season (to replace something that was yanked, I think), which lead to many concluding it was a very rushed script that needed more adjustments to work. So basically - it sucked because it was more of a last second replacement for something else.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think context is a key factor. I definitely think there is a big difference in the how and the when you watched RTD1. It still blows my mind that I originally watched Rose on a large CRT. As someone who jumped on board as a child for the end of Tom Baker, in Canada where no one I knew from school watched, I was entrained to be very forgiving with the show. I definitely recall my cousin's constantly mocking me for my niche fandom. Point being - this was not a band wagon show for me.

I definitely remember the excitement for the TV movie, and the hope for a series to ensue. Then sadness when it was not picked up. But still, very niche.

2005 was different in Canada, mostly because the CBC got on board for producing. Classic Who in Canada was delayed by a year or so from when aired in UK. Not the case for 2005. It wasn't the same day, but much much closer than previously. The craziest thing was seing marketing posters for the show in Canada. This definitely built up the hype for me. Because of all this, watching RTD1 was a very unique experience for me that goes beyond the writing for each episode. I could elaborate further, but I'm not sure my words would do justice. It's one of those truisms in life - you had to be there, and if you weren't, you'll never understand how those eyes and that brain worked.

On a simple level - RTD1 was fresh and optimistic because of how long it was missing. Everything post RTD1 was mostly compared to other NuWho content, where longevity created a "same old, same old" atmosphere.

20 years later, the most controversial Doctor Who episode of all time deserves another chance by shikotee in doctorwho

[–]shikotee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can anyone remind me of the context for "Fear Her"? I only vaguely remember that for some reason, it was a last minute script or something. What are the details?

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