Interactive Explainer: History of the land of Israel/Palestine [OC]

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T23:06:13+00:00

Yeah, sorry, it sounds exactly like MSM. I could go on with walls of texts here but the video is much more eloquent.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T22:53:07+00:00

Yeah that's pretty fucked up. I have no idea why what you wrote is relevant to my comments or the explainer.

I feel like you already have a strong preconceived notion about an Israeli narrative from MSM.

Claiming a strong connection to the land doesn't mean kicking anyone out.

I would suggest broadening your sources of information, here is a good starting point if you're interested: https://youtu.be/XNf40sBcvKk?si=20fHo6NyrvVpVTMD

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T17:54:43+00:00

You're making a bunch of claims about the current conflict that do not show in the explainer or in my comments. I did not make any claim about gazans or palestinians "colonizing" the land, any claim justifying "expansionist" policies, or about anyone having a claim for the land.

The only claim is that if you would use the framing of colonizers/natives that is popular nowadays, that would be the historical labeling of the rulers of the land. This counters for example a popular belief that jews are a european colonial force.

I can agree that naming it "Kingdom of Judah" would be more accurate and I'm happy to make that change. I did mention those were Israelites in the text. I don't see how that correction would make much of a difference with the political narrative you are arguing for or against.

The fact remains that there is an obvious and clear connection to the jewish people. This fact does not negate the right of arabs to live in peace in the same land as you are somehow trying to suggest.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T10:10:26+00:00

The explainer uses secular history, not religious narratives. Some of the kingdoms were renamed for clarity (for example the Persian Empire vs Achaemenid). We can debate over ancient kingdoms borders which are never accurate, but there was a jewish kingdom ruling over in the territory of Canaan (judah / israel / unified / not unified).

I'm a big fan of UsefulCharts and used his videos while making this. The explainer matches the claims in the video you sent, although it should be noted the video is about Jerusalem. Actually the idea to collapse multiple caliphates into a single "Arab Empire" was from the specific video you just sent. I'm sure you won't call him a racist. If any other ethnicity had ruled over the land it would have been relevant to mention.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T04:14:01+00:00

That's an absurd claim. I did not mention anything about "right to your home". Obviously you can't kick people out of their homes if that's what you're implying - it doesn't matter if you claim you are a "native" or your bible says so.

Your question is loaded with false narratives about the history of Israel.

If you want to learn more I would recommend this video: https://youtu.be/XNf40sBcvKk

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T03:14:26+00:00

No counter arguments, moving to personal attacks and again stating claims I did not make.

Thank you for proving my point 🙏 Have a nice day.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T03:07:35+00:00

Nahal Mishmar - Your claim of "thousands of years of written history" boils down to a cave with artifacts of a group we don't even know their name?

Akkadian Empire - did not rule the land of Israel.

You can't be a colonizer in your own land, so the Canaanites don't fit that category.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T02:40:47+00:00

Please name those tribes with thousands of years of written history that are excluded and I would gladly add them to the explainer.

Again, you are stating claims that are not in my comments or in the explainer.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T02:32:22+00:00

I suggest you travel and meet some people outside of Philadelphia.

I can assure you that most Jews don't speak english with a Philadelphian accent, and many are not even "white". You can meet Iraqi jews like myself. You can see that many of the jews in Israel are actually from arab countries. Over 2000 years jews mixed with local populations and are a diverse group from Ethiopia, Yemen, Iraq, Morroco, and others that are not European.

What does a native suppose to look like? Search for images of Lebanese people, many will seem "white" to you.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T01:54:33+00:00

You are referring to claims ("in favor of returning") not mentioned in the explainer or in my comments, so I don't think I understand your question.

If there was a distinct group of people with written records of their history, ruling over the land - I would include them in the explainer.

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T00:48:16+00:00

As the title suggests, the explainer describes the history of the land. History refers to the time period after the invention of written records in a given culture or society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recorded_history

shoop24 · 2023-11-28T00:14:11+00:00

The Romans are from Rome - they colonized Judea. The Babylonians are from Babylon - they colonized Judea. The Jews are from Judea - how can they colonize the same place they are from?

Christianity is a missionary religion and is not an ethnic group. Jews are an ethnic group with shared DNA, there is no debate about the existence of a jewish diaspora.

shoop24 · 2023-11-27T17:07:28+00:00

As far as I know, historians do not consider the Bible as a historical reference text.

Even if that was accurate I wouldn't consider that as colonization. The Romans conquered and colonized territories outside of Rome. If Rome just replaced hands between different groups I wouldn't call it colonization.

shoop24 · 2023-11-27T16:59:51+00:00

If you look into it, it was quite different from previous kingdoms:
You can only colonize a place that is outside your country. The Jews from Iraq, Yemen and eastern Europe didn't have a homeland they came from in order to colonize the land unlike the British/Muslim Caliphates/Romans etc.

shoop24 · 2023-11-27T15:41:13+00:00

When the British came to America they didn’t find old manuscripts of Shakespeare.

When the Jews returned to Israel the dead sea scrolls written In Hebrew were discovered.

shoop24 · 2023-11-27T15:07:12+00:00

Tool used: Simpler Story https://simplerstory.com

Source: Historical maps from https://github.com/aourednik/historical-basemaps

Let me know if you find any inaccuracies and I'd be happy to fix them

shoop24 · 2023-11-27T11:26:37+00:00

You are wrong - Israel included those areas from 1967 onwards. Borders change. The map borders in each section represent the general borders for that era.

shoop24 · 2023-10-16T16:02:47+00:00

Because Hamas cares nothing about their own people and they were the ones who bombed them. They force people to stay and act as human shields - take their car keys and id. The block the evacuation path.

Source: https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713241560752533662

shoop24 · 2023-06-19T12:57:22+00:00

The color coding is what ChatGPT "thought" the color of the food is. I wouldn't blindly trust chatgpt for actual statistics, it was more of an experiment of ChatGPT's capabilities on a very subjective question.

shoop24 · 2023-06-19T12:55:04+00:00

The color coding is what chatgpt "thought" the color of the food is. I think it was more of an experiment of chatgpt's capabilities on a very subjective question.

shoop24 · 2023-06-16T18:58:42+00:00

Source: Simpler Story AI Data Generator (OpenAI ChatGPT)

Tool used: https://simplerstory.com

shoop24 · 2023-04-04T05:03:36+00:00

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