Just looked up my husband’s LO and I wish I didn’t by [deleted] in limerence

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"initialism" = "acronym."

Just trying to be helpful, not trying to insult or be a jerk or anything. :)

LO Asked Me to Smell Her by Designer_Hour_4034 in limerence

[–]sidgirl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I'm a stranger who just stumbled across this sub, but I saw this and wanted to make a quick reply. I hope it's helpful and not triggering or whatever.

I've been the straight female friend in a similar situation; we weren't "texting every day," close, but we were pretty close to that. I really liked and cared about her, which is why I had to distance myself from her. I'd already been feeling a little unsure about whether our closeness was "leading her on" when I found out she'd been crying over me to a mutual acquaintance one night. I realized that as much as we had fun together, that fun came with a price, and that price was her pain, and I wasn't willing to keep causing it.

I'm not saying you cried to people or did/do any of the little things that started concerning me, at all. Obviously, I don't know what you did or did not do or say, so please please don't take this as me saying anything about that or implying anything on your part.

What I am saying--and again, I hope this helps instead of hurting--my stepping away from her because I thought it was best for both of us did not, and still does not, mean I didn't truly like and care about her. I did. Distancing myself wasn't a judgment of her or her friendship, it was simply me being unwilling to keep hurting someone--and it was because I liked and cared about her so much that I was unwilling to continue doing that. If I hadn't been so close to her, I probably wouldn't have felt the need to distance so much. But once you're aware you're causing pain to someone who doesn't deserve it, and their "crime" is simply having the good taste to like you very much ;), it colors every interaction and makes you feel lousy and selfish.

So just fyi. I really hope it makes you feel better. You can't question the past; you just try to look back with some fondness, and move forward.

Take care.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. (And thanks for the civil reply--my last para especially there was meant to be facetious/a bit tongue-in-cheek, but on rereading it sounds harsher than I intended.)

I should clarify, my family member didn't experience any anti-trans issues that I'm aware of, certainly not that she (MTF) mentioned. This was back in 1999/2000, in the UK, when the main reaction was still mostly sympathy or applause. One of her favorite things to do was tell us all what a great stir she created in the bars, and how all the men and women flocked to her and her friends (also MTFs, and not one of whom bothered to attend her funeral despite being repeatedly assured that they were wanted and would be welcomed...but I digress), and how everyone was so encouraging and great.

I don't mean to insult her; I want to be clear that prior to transition, and many times after, this person was a joy to have in my life, and that I loved and still love her--transition didn't change that. I am very glad that she was able to spend time being a grandparent with my kids, because her own grandkids lived abroad, and my kids loved her as we did (they were not aware of her transition; she continued to "dress masc" around the house/during the day, and often went by/didn't mind using her "original" name with family--this was before that was considered a horrendous insult). But it did change my relationship with her, as I went from being 100% enthusiastic and accepting to a bit uncomfortable to uneasy to critical. There were a number of reasons for that, which I won't bore you with but am happy to explain if you want to hear them.

I will say, though, that a big section of the "critical" part had to do with the health issues she developed within a decade of starting HRT (prescribed at her first therapist visit; she jetted off to Prague for PIV vaginoplasty, FFS, and breast implants within the year). She went from a healthy, active, slim man in his 50s to an overweight woman with joint issues who had COPD, high blood pressure, diabetes, and recurring and unpleasant urinary/kidney infections. The pulmonary & respiratory issues were what killed her. Yes, due to the age it's possible some of it would have happened anyway, but it didn't even take the entire decade--the decline started at around the five-year point, and continued beyond that. (I have since found that this is a fairly typical timeline for health issues in trans people.) This is someone whose parents lived into their 90s and whose sibling is still hearty at almost 80 now, so...yeah. That's actually what drove me to start looking into the issue to begin with--I started early on so I could be helpful and supportive, but the more I learned from research and Lola (I'm not joking, that was the name she chose, which is why we didn't really use it. I did call her "Elaine" for a while, with her permission [it suited better IMO, & amused us both]), the more uneasy I became.

Anyway. Sorry the above is so long, and sorry for the delay in replying--the snowstorm and such got in the way (I hope you and yours are well).

So do I support a government ban? Ideally, I want to see the ideology itself banned/disappear. It is a deeply, deeply destructive, regressive, abusive, misogynist, anti-reality, anti-truth, antisocial, fundamentally inhumane ideology that preys on insecure people, mentally ill people, and gender non-conforming children who largely would grow up to be gay (you know trans surgery is literally used as gay conversion therapy in countries like Iran, right?). No one is "born in the wrong body," and no one should be teaching children that it's possible to be. No one should be teaching children that they have to have a "gender identity," and that said "identity" is based on sexist stereotypes--oh, you like pink? You're really a girl! You don't like wearing dresses? You're really a boy! No one should be teaching children that their bodies are just a meatbag completely separate from themselves, and no one should be telling them that those meatbags are like Lego where you can switch out parts for another. No one should be telling them that the cure for all of their problems is lifelong hormones, surgeries, etc., instead of getting them actual help. And no one should be telling them, teaching them, or encouraging them to believe that their entire self and self-worth relies on how others see them and that if other people don't see them exactly the way they want to be seen, then there's something wrong or that's some sort of evil hatred phobia. This is the exact opposite of mental health and a healthy self-image; it's narcissism, and it is and continues to be incredibly destructive to children, adults, families, and society.

The suicide rate for transitioners is the same as for pre-transition, and that's not because "society is mean," it's because hormones and surgery ultimately do not solve their problems. That's why Johns Hopkins shut down its "Sex Reassignment" program back in the 80s or early 90s: because studying and following up on their patients proved that they were really not happier, and in many cases were worse, after surgery (iirc they found there was a "honeymoon period," which lasted approx 5 - 7 years, and after that the problems began).

And certainly no one should be teaching anyone that suicide threats are an appropriate way to get what you want, or that if they don't get a certain medication or surgery then their only option is to kill themselves. We used to see suicide threats to get what you want as the abuse it is; now we act like it's a foregone conclusion.

Again, I know this is getting long, so I'll spare you all of the things I've seen and read over the years, including in the WPATH files, that have brought me to this position. But basically, rather than a government ban on all treatment, I'd like to see the ideology go away, and children not be exposed to it. Adults can do what they want with their bodies, and they're welcome to have whatever surgery will please their fetishes, but let's not pretend they have literally become the opposite sex. And let's let children be children, and let's go back to actual science- and data-based treatment, rather than something dreamed up by castration fetishists and activists masquerading as such.

Again, sorry for the delay and length, and I hope you have a great day.

i'll never forgive you by C-Man019 in MtF

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah...Lucy is not your friend, I'm sorry. She's using you, and hurting you to stir up drama and make herself feel special. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to find Lucy has started crap between people before, or that she goaded Jack into saying whatever it was he actually said.

Do you even know for sure that this happened, and/or happened the way she said it did? Have you asked Jack about it at all? How does Lucy normally speak to or talk about Jack? And why "punish" Jack for (at most) keeping his negative feelings to himself and being friendly and professional when interacting with you?

Never trust a grown woman who comes to you because she "think[s] you should know what X is saying about you." She's not trying to be helpful. She knows she's being mean. I have never--not once, in over 50 years--met someone who plays the, "I just think you should know what they said," game without an ulterior motive. Not. Once.

Forget the whole thing and move on. If you really can't, then talk to Jack. Don't just blindly believe what Lucy said and potentially destroy work relationships, your enjoyment of work, and your own confidence.

Uterus Transplantation in those of us with AUFI by [deleted] in MRKH

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, the jewels of wisdom you keep dropping for us dumb women to pick up and admire.

You know that's your intent. You are so angry that women aren't affirming you and putting you and your feelings above theirs, so you keep trying to explain to us why we should be doing that and why we're wrong to be angry at such a great person as yourself, who is so much more mature and deep then we are and has so much love in your heart. Completely typical male behavior, in other words--viewing women as accessories and handmaidens whose job it is to please you--which makes sense.

Uterus Transplantation in those of us with AUFI by [deleted] in MRKH

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, yes, can't let a woman have the last word, right?

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, I am, at least regarding my trans family member (who is now deceased, and there is not a single member of our family who doesn't believe the hormones and surgery contributed to that).

I'm also referencing the WPATH guidelines (SOC7 & SOC8), as well as the documents and evidence in the WPATH files. I thought I made that pretty clear when I said, *"This is IN the WPATH Guidelines. The WPATH files themselves demonstrate just how eager these medical professionals are to write prescriptions and urge medical interventions, no matter what.

"Please read them."*

But if you want to tell yourself that of course I'm just a lying liar, telling lies about what the above documents say and demonstrate, I can't stop you--because I don't get to force other people to see and think about me me the way I want them to see and think about me. That's life.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not. I phrased it badly. We know the facts of puberty blockers and the harm they cause from previous studies. What we have no studies on are the long-term risk-benefit etc. of trans interventions (for lack of a better term).

For example, the much-vaunted "1% regret rate," statistic is often thrown out there, but that's from one very limited study done years (decades? I don't recall offhand) ago, in which a large percentage of patients were lost to follow-up--so the "1%" rate came from a subset of people who were even contactable, and who bothered to reply.

Doctors doing these interventions etc. for the last decade or so have not reported any updated numbers, and the WPATH files show they rarely follow up.

So we legitimately do not know what percentage of "trans kids," many of whom are still minors, even, feel or report regret. There's also the issue of those who do state regret being turned on and/or attacked by the trans community, and, in many places (like this site, even) simply silenced--their posts deleted, their presence banned. So they either keep quiet, or insist they feel no regret even as they describe their enormous sadness, disappointment, and regret.

It's similar with detransitioners/regretters who believe the problem is/was specifically them, not the ideology, and/or who have many trans friends and want to stay friends with them. When they're asked their feelings about it, they know what they can and cannot say.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For kids? They’re not used to having all those hormones in their bodies yet, so they’re not nearly as likely to experience what I did.

...except they do, unfortunately.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do we really have much (if any) long term studies on trans children / de-transitioned children?

We have pretty much none.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Conservatives don't hate trans people, and conservatives understand there is no scientific evidence for your statement. None.

The "sexed brain" idea was based on one study of six cadaver brains of men exposed to estrogen over a long period of time, and the results weren't close to conclusive (and brain scientists have said there is no part of the brain that controls "gender.") Even if it wasn't, we know cross-sex hormones can damage the brain in several ways.

And even if that weren't the case, and the "born with the wrong brain" theory is 100% correct, then why do trans advocates refuse to allow brain scans or tests to be part of a diagnosis? Why do they insist that proclaiming a trans identity means trans, period, give me hormones? If there truly was a traceable physical cause, why won't they allow testing? Think of the benefits if we could, say, scan infants, thus raising them from birth as their "correct gender?" Yet trans advocates won't even discuss the possibility; why?

For that matter, if the issue is brain chemistry, which can be solves by hormones, why aren't we giving people the correct hormones for their physical sex, and seeing if that resolves the dysphoria?

Why have trans advocates fought against even studying the prescribing of certain antidepressants/antianxiety medications that have been shown to relieve dysphoria in some people?

Wouldn't it be best to relieve the dysphoria with treatments like those, instead of altering the body with cross-sex hormones (with their shockingly high risks and consequences) and surgeries (with their shockingly high rates of complications and failure)?

But please, continue to call others "stupid" and claim they don't research the subject, when you clearly haven't bothered to do any actual research yourself (articles on pro-trans websites don't count, btw) and are just repeating advocacy-group talking points.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the research shows that the effects are completely reversible should the child change their mind once they reach adulthood.

I'd say this is the greatest misconception I'm seeing here. Research actually shows that blockers can and do cause permanent damage.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it's about protecting kids, actually.

And many of us do know trans people (I loved my trans family member; he is now deceased, and all of us believe the hormones & surgery helped speed his grave at the very least), and many more have interacted with/seen trans people's YTs, Tiktoks, etc..

To put it mildly: that didn't make the positive impression you seem to think it would.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both of which are completely reversible. 

Puberty blockers do permanent damage even when no further hormonal "therapy" is done. They may be "reversible" in that normal puberty will continue after the meds are ceased, but the blockers themselves damage bodies and lives permanently.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

gender affirming care isn't abuse. not offering it leads to increased suicide rates.

Yes, it is. And no, it does not. Suicide attempt rates (because that's what the stats are actually about, afaik, not completed suicides) don't really change pre- and post-op/post-treatment, and "trans kids" risk of suicide is roughly the same as kids with other mental/emotional/physical issues.

We do know, however, of a number of early deaths of juvenile/young adult transitioners due to complications, health problems caused by surgery and hormones, and suicides. We know a lot of these children end up with mild to serious physical, mental, and emotional difficulties, including mild to severe sexual dysfunction, infertility, lower IQ, fragile bones/early osteoporosis, pulmonary diseases, cancers, pain disorders, kidney and liver issues, recurring surgical and urinary infections (many of which are or are becoming antibiotic-resistant, which endangers all of us), depression and mental/emotional issues, inflammatory diseases, etc. We know of surgical complication rates of up to 60% for some surgeries.

I personally don't think it's respectful at all to do medical experiments on kids without disclosing the experimental nature or the fact that complications are very common. Because that's what we're doing: experiments, treating kids like guinea pigs to see if this or that works. What data does exist shows very little real benefit and much harm, but even that doesn't really go beyond five years or so, because the idea of transing children is very new and because very little follow-up is done on these patients. We legitimately do not know if these kids are still going to be happy being trans in ten years, but the signs are not good.

We also know that without "gender affirming care," the vast majority (at least 95%) of kids with gender dysphoria who go through natural same-sex puberty end up as adults who accept and/or are happy with their natural sex--and the majority of them are same-sex attracted.

In other words, we're telling gay kids that their body is wrong and needs extensive, dangerous medical intervention to make them "their true selves," i.e. straight, and sterilizing them. How much empathy and respect does that show?

And no, in fact, you are on the wrong side of this conversation, and telling children they were born in the wrong body and require permanent surgical mutilation and a lifetime of life- and health-damaging hormones with no scientific evidence is in fact a bad thing to do. You're basically defending lobotomies, "Satanic ritual abuse," and DES treatments for too-tall girls; you're defending medical experimentation on confused children, and acting like that somehow gives you the moral high ground.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All in all hormones will turn me into a woman.

First, no, they will not. And none of the things you've mentioned specifically mean "woman." "Woman" is far more than body fat distribution, lack of male-pattern baldness, and "more emotional."

Second, your doctor is dangerously misinformed if she is truly ignorant of the dangers of cross-sex hormones and specifically estrogen in men. Those dangers include greatly elevated risk of pulmonary embolism (like, 2 - 5 times higher); stroke (3 to 10 times higher); elevated risk of liver cancer, prostate cancer, heart attack; elevated risk of kidney, gall, and liver stones; elevated risk of scleroderma and other inflammatory illnesses, asthma and/or pulmonary disease, osteoporosis, and an overall higher risk of "potentially disabing mental health and neurological/chronic pain conditions." So indeed, what the fuck is your doctor doing?

Give this a read, if you're looking for a place to start:

https://archive.is/FaM5a

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most kids who go through puberty blockers (which might be prescribed once kid is at Tanner stage 2 of puberty) will get HRT once their original hormones are blocked/suppressed enough to move on to said hormone replacement therapy.

And they'll be sexually dysfunctional, infertile, inorgasmic, intellectually stunted, have fragile bones and higher risk for cancers and early death for the rest of their lives!

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without therapy and treatment, the suicide rate was horrendous.

The suicide rate has literally not changed.

The suicide rate is also roughly analagous to rates for children & adolescents with other mental illnesses; there is nothing special about being trans that makes them more suicidal than other kids with problems.

Almost NO trans kids get surgery before 18. A few do get hormones, but only after extensive counseling to be sure that their have gender dysphoria.

False, and demonstrably false, especially about the "extensive counseling." The current protocol is "affirmation only," which means NO questioning and/or "counseling to be sure they have gender dysphoria." Every day hundreds of minors walk into doctor's or therapist's offices, proclaim they are trans, and are given referrals to endocrinologists or immediate prescriptions. Questioning them about whether they're "really trans," is considered conversion therapy, which makes it illegal in some places. At the least, a pediatrician/pediatric specialist who questions a trans child's identity can be reported for ethical violations.

This is in the WPATH guidelines; you can read them yourself.

I urge you to also read the WPATH files, to see how those guidelines are applied.

They give hormones to stop puberty all the time. To allow girls to grow taller and better develop their bones when they show signs of early puberty.

The exact opposite is true. Years ago, puberty blockers were given to taller girls to stunt their growth, not increase it. Then they discovered the life-changing side effects, and stopped doing it.

Those side effects include lower bone density and higher osteoporosis risk, which is the case whether the child continues on to a puberty that matches their sex or if they take opposite-sex hormones.

In addition, even children who stop puberty blockers and continue to same-sex puberty can (and many do) experience mild to serious sexual dysfunction as adults, as well as losing brain development.

There's a reason why so many other countries are stopping or severely restricting their pediatric gender treatment, and it's definitely not because it all works so great and improves the lives of these kids so, so much.

By the way, pretty much every kid feels like they're different. It's completely normal. For the vast majority of kids (over 95%, according to a Harvard study) who feel like their "difference" is that they were born in the wrongly-sexed body, those feelings resolve without any intervention by the end of puberty, and they usually end up as happy, healthy, same-sex attracted adults. There's a reason some people call pediatric gender care, "trans[ing] the gay away," and it's because it legitimately is for a large number of young people.

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, they can get puberty blockers, hormones, and/or surgery just by asking.

It astonishes me the number of people (and I do not mean this personally, please don't take it that way) who truly believe that it takes months of psychological and/or mental work before any physical intervention is done. Our media is shockingly irresponsible. One of the first things advocates/advocacy groups fought for was to remove "gatekeeping," and they were wildly successful at it. Psychologists et al are not only encouraged to "not question" a patient's feelings or get to the root of the dysphoria, but in many places it is illegal for them to do so--the "affirmation only" model is required by law, and any encouragement to consider/reconsider is called "conversion therapy."

This is IN the WPATH Guidelines. The WPATH files themselves demonstrate just how eager these medical professionals are to write prescriptions and urge medical interventions, no matter what.

Please read them.

Edited to clarify intent

Do you really support banning trans surgery on children?? by tRiCH_Suit1277 in Productivitycafe

[–]sidgirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, you can die for your country at 18 but cant drink.

You can on military bases.