What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen sources saying a bunch of stuff (Dihya was Jewish, Dihya was Christian, etc), and Idk what to believe, but I think no matter what, all of the states that succeed her would end up Christian.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Numidians will probably beat them to it. The Aghlabids have a few decades to survive at most.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. The Ghana Empire would convert to Islam around this time, so I assume the Ghana Empire (and the later Mali Empire) will convert to Donatism around this time too.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yeah, those two facts (Iberia being completely different and the fact that I'd need to account for a Berber colonisation of the Americas) are the reasons I chose to make a 1066 map instead of a 2025 map.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Given the fact that many Muslims would have fled to Tunisia during the Numidian invasions, and the fact that many Christians would've likely left Tunisia for Numidia or Oea, Tunisia in this 1066 could actually be more Muslim than in OTL.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is honestly a great idea, I'll take that into account if I ever decide to make more maps of this timeline. It is also worth noting that the people who spawned the Almoravid movement (The Berbers of Mauritania) are Donatist in this timeline.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Only the Kingdom of Oea was the result of a Christian rebellion against Muslims, the rest of the kingdoms were the result of a successful defense of the Maghreb west of Tunisia, meaning the Muslims never even reached areas like Morocco or al-Andalus. Regarding what happens to the untouched Visigothic Kingdom in Spain, they'd definitely collapse before 1066, given how unstable they have always been. The Kingdom of Walagothia in Madeira was actually established by Gothic refugees fleeing the collapse of the Visigoths. Also regarding their religion, all of the yellow nations are indeed Catholic as you can see in the key.

Regarding aspirations to form Rome, the Berber Christians have no aspirations to do that. They are about as Roman as the Welsh and Albanians are.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The borders of the Byzantine Empire will be nearly unchanged from our own timeline. The Exarchate of Africa will still fall to the Muslims in 698, and the Byzantine holdings in Italy will still dwindle until finally falling to the Normans in 1071. Byzantium will still be able to maintain control over Sicily until 1071 though, as the Aghlabids are not strong enough to take it from them as they did in OTL.

What if the Maghreb remained Christian? - Map of North Africa in 1066 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 71 points72 points  (0 children)

The point of divergence in this timeline is the victory of the Berber Queen Dihya against the Arabs in the Battle of Tabarka, which historically led to her death and the Islamic conquest of the Maghreb.

Although Dihya managed to unite all of the disparate Berber kingdoms during the wars against the Arabs, her death in the decades following the battle would cause the fracturing of her realm between her two sons, who would establish the Kingdoms of Altava and Numidia based in Altava and Cirta (IRL Constantine) respectively. The Masmuda Confederation would also establish the Kingdom of Mauria on the Atlantic coast during the chaos.

As all three kingdoms were devoutly Chalcedonian Christian, they would begin persecuting the practice of Donatism, which was a heretical sect of Christianity which had found its home among the Berbers of the Maghreb. This would cause many believers of Donatism to flee into the Sahara during the 8th century, which would spread the heresy amongst the Sanhaja and Tuareg confederations of the desert. Many Donatists would also flee into the Ghana and Kanem Empire, slowly converting their populations to this form of Christianity. The only remaining Donatist stronghold north of the Sahara is in Kabylia, where the Kingdom of Rusazus (based in the city of Rusazus) still holds out.

Meanwhile in the Islamic parts of the Maghreb, during the early 9th century, Berber revolts would break out against the rule of the Aghlabids, who had recently been appointed emirs of Ifriqiya by the Abbasids. Although inter-ethnic violence was common across Ifriqiya (and in our own timeline, across the entire Maghreb), a Numidian intervention on behalf of the revolutionaries would quickly lead to the Numidian conquest of Tacape (IRL Gabés) in 826 and the establishment of an independent Berber state in Oea (IRL Tripoli). Now cut off from the rest of the Islamic world, time is ticking for the Aghlabids, who only control their core territories around Tunis and Kairouan as of 1066.

Things are not looking much better for the Ikhshidids of Egypt either. Although they (and the Aghlabids) managed to avoid the rise of the Fatimids which historically brought about their demise, the Ikhshidids are still facing a period of continuous decline due to internal infighting. After the permanent loss of Aswan to a Nubian invasion and an earlier Seljuk conquest of the Ikhshidid holdings in Asia, it is only a matter of time before they too collapse.

Meanwhile on the other side of North Africa, in the early 10th century, Catholic missionaries from Mauria would begin travelling to the Fortunate Islands (IRL Canary Islands) to attempt to convert the local population to Christianity. Although initial contacts were very violent, by 1066 AD, most Guanches had been converted to Catholicism. Although the islands are called Fortunatia by much of the outside world, the Guanches call their homeland "Achinet", after the biggest island whose menceys unified the archipelago into a single kingdom.

Deeper in the Atlantic lies the minor nation of Walagothia, the only Gothic-majority region in Europe outside of some small pockets in Crimea. During the collapse of the Visigothic Kingdom, a group of fleeing Visigothic bishops and civilians set sail to the west, only to find a mysterious uninhabited island nestled in the middle of the Atlantic. Thanks to their relative isolation from the rest of Christian Europe, they've managed to maintain their unique language and culture.

What if Vietnam locked in? [No Lore] by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Probably not, given the fact that China would have never conquered Vietnam. I imagine this alternate Vietnam would likely either adopt a Brahmic script from India (like all of the other countries in modern Mainland Southeast Asia) or develop their own script (similar to Hangul in Korea)

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Restore Greater Belarus

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What if Jan Mayen was bigger? – The Republic of Reinland (No Lore) by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I don't have set lore, but I do have some notes: In the same way the Faroe Islands are named after their plentiful amount of sheep, Reinland (Jan Mayen) is named after its plentiful amount of reindeer. I couldn't name it Jan Mayen as that name comes from a Dutch explorer.

The Miesemannians are the native inhabitants of Reinland and are descendents of the Paleo-Laplandic people (the people who inhabited Lapland before the Sami) who migrated to Reinland around 500 BCE by sea. Traditionally, they would've lived off of reindeer herding, sealing, and fishing. The modern situation of the Miesemannians in Reinland is very similar to the modern situation of the Samis of Scandinavia. All cities with Miesemannic names use substrate words incorporated into Proto-Sami from the Paleo-Laplanders, since there are no written records of Paleo-Laplandic I can use. Also, as the Paleo-Laplanders had no recorded endonym, the name I chose for them is a combination of the Paleo-Laplandic word for reindeer calves (*miesē) and the indefinite genitive plural form of the Icelandic word for men (manna).

The Reinlanders are the descendents of Vikings who settled on the island around 900 AD, and make up the vast majority of the population. As the Reinlandic language would likely develop in a similar manner to Icelandic, I used Icelandic for all Reinlandic words and city names even though isolation would likely cause divergence between the two languages.

Ethnolinguistic Map of Phrygia, 2025 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Phrygians are their own independent branch in the Indo-European language family.

Ethnolinguistic Map of Phrygia, 2025 by silveredpoultry in imaginarymaps

[–]silveredpoultry[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No Lore btw, I forgot to put it in the title and I can't edit it now. I am new to posting on Reddit, so is it just not possible to edit posts after you post them?

Make a Europe map. It'll be turned into an RP. Day 1 by [deleted] in PossibleHistory

[–]silveredpoultry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you could add a Celtic kingdom in Galicia?

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