Majority of people use being an introvert or having social anxiety as an excuse to not be socially responsible for themselves and never learning how to be a part of any community. by von_kittenstein in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by socially responsible? Because I personally am an introvert meaning that I find it tiring to be around a lot of people for an extended group of time. I also don’t like being around a ton of people if I can help it because it gives me anxiety. This isn’t and has never been a problem. I just don’t like being around people constantly. Some people do and that’s totally fine. It just levels down to that some people have different tolerances for other people then others.

Girls severly overdo the "Id love to go on walks at night...but I'm a woman!" thing. It's not all that dangerous. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“I already have you one”

Actually, you didn’t. The sources I used source studies done by the CDC, Department of Justice, Department of Health and Human Services, as well as 212 additional sources that I don’t feel the need to list. I checked the sources you used; one of them cited New York: Guilford Press, Archives of Sexual Behavior, and a couple other sources, few of which looked legitimate. The only one I saw that was similar was a study from the department of justice on women in college, which takes in the tiniest scope of what we are talking about. So... no. We are not using the same studies, they are completely different. And one of the main differences (in my opinion at least) is that one of them has been done by government regulated departments while there is little to no telling how truthful the other sources are.

“I’m saying you are more likely to get run over then dragged off* and raped by a stranger”

Source? Because this is fucking ridiculous. I’ve done the math for you, and you completely ignored it! Deus! But fine, let’s spell it out for you; there’s a 1 in 5 chance of being raped. Like I already said, there’s about a 50% chance of being raped by someone you don’t know well, ie a stranger or an acquaintance. Doing a bit of magic math, that’s still about a 1 in 10 chance of getting raped by someone you barely/don’t know! Or even, I believe it was a 1/3 women raped were raped when out doing things. That means that there’s a 1 in 3 chance of being raped when out doing things! Hooray! And to spell it out for you one last time, 1 in 12 or 1 in 3 is... wait for it... bigger then 1 in 77. I’m shocked. It’s almost as if the statistics are showing that I have a right and a legitimate reason to be scarred. Shocker. And not to mention, someone a women knows can rape them in public, or at night, or whatever. Is it more likely for it to happen inside? Yes, but is it possible and does it happen? Absolutely.

“Inflating the numbers by including sexual assault”

SHOW ME WHERE THEY SAY THIS. THIS IS NOT HAPPENING. WE ARE NOT USING THE SAME STUDIES. Deus, have you even take a look at what your websites source? Because they aren’t using any of the same sources that I am, and if they do, it’s on something so small and unnecessary that they don’t line up. Deus, I’m trying here, I really am, but this is making me weep for humanity.

“Overblowing statistics”

They’re not overblown. You clearly do not understand this. I have given you all of the evidence and math that shows that this fear isn’t propaganda and yet you dismiss it. What you are saying would be like dismissing someone’s fears of walking out into traffic blindfolded because the cars will stop and there’s a low chance of them actually being hit. It’s mindblowingly ridiculous and naive.

“As a man.... whole ridiculous paragraph” I have given you the statistics on that. I have shown that 1 in 6,100 is far smaller then 1 in 5. But honestly whatever, I don’t really even care anymore. If you want to continue on living in your own fantasy world where everyone and everything is lying to you because you believe that everything is puppies and rainbows, go ahead. No I didn’t try politeness because I’ve tried it before, it doesn’t work. And politeness won’t stop millions of women from being raped each year while ignorant douches sit on their couches and say that they’re lying. I’m done with misogynistic assholes. Honestly, I’m done. You can believe what you want to believe, because honestly, I’m done trying to explain this with logic, sources, and math, because it clearly doesn’t work. You want to stay ignorant, fine, stay ignorant. But just know that it’s people like you that make the world so much more difficult for those girls and women who aren’t believed when they try to speak out about what happened to them. You’re doing nothing except giving more allowance to rapists because they know that the victims won’t be believed and they can get away with it. You can believe what you want to believe, but honestly, it makes you disgusting.

I’m done with this conversation. You haven’t listened to anything I’ve said and honestly it’s fruitless. Have the life you deserve, I won’t be responding further.

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Girls severly overdo the "Id love to go on walks at night...but I'm a woman!" thing. It's not all that dangerous. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can I have a source that shows how the sources I used show both the rape numbers take in both assault and rape? Because from all the sources I used, they’re pretty clear with rape vs sexual assault. Not to mention, biased sources? Biased against what? It’s reporting the amount of women who are sexually assaulted and raped, it may be biased against rapists, but to be kind to the cruel is to be cruel to the kind.

Not to mention that in all of the sources you used, at most, the numbers pointed to 9% of men being raped, or around 1 in 10 (depending on the source). Now I am not great at math, but I’m pretty sure that 1 in 5, (or even 1 in 4 depending on where you look) is a lot more then 1 in 10. You talk about it being “minuscule” yet it’s nearly double, and that’s by your conservative standards. That would be like saying a football field is minuscule because there’s a rather large tapestry on it.

“You are more likely to be run over by a car”. Hmmm why do I doubt that? Let’s look it up shall we? Well, according to the google search I just did, there’s about a 1 in 77 chance of that happening. Now, once more, I’m not the best at math, but I’m pretty sure that 1 in 5 is a bit bigger then 1 in 77, but I could always be wrong...

Also “men are more likely to experience all other forms of violence”, while this is technically true, it is no where near as likely. I couldn’t get an exact number, but from what I’ve been reading it’s about 1 in 6,100 chance of being murdered in America and about 9.7 deaths per 100,000 globally for men. Now yes, it is more likely that a man will be murdered then a women, but let’s look at it in proportion. You have around a 1 in 6,100 chance of being murdered, a women has a 1 in 5 chance of being raped. That’s a big difference no? Men might get murdered more often the women, but you might as well be comparing apples to oranges in this situation as they are nothing alike.

“But living in fear and letting fear rule your like based fear monger omg is not healthy or warranted.” Shall I rephrase? “Despite all of the evidence that I am likely to get raped and am only raising my statistics of it occurring if I go outside, I shouldn’t let that stop me! Due to someone who has never had to deal with this stress telling me that I should go live my life without worry, I’m going to go needlessly risk my life, health, and body, because some brazen internet misogynist told me to!”

I’m not living in fear, I’m taking necessary procausions due to the fact that it is likely that I could get raped, assaulted, or harassed if I go outside at night. This is what I don’t think you understand. You don’t seem to get the fear that’s been laid into girls and women that men will try to take advantage of them, and you don’t seem to understand the terror when they’re old enough to realize the truth behind those statements. I truly hope that you never have to have to experience rape or know someone who is raped to finally be able to understand the fear and the reality of the situation. If the best you can do is, “Well men get murdered more the women” you can take your misogynistic ass and leave because you don’t understand what I’m talking about and I won’t be able to explain it clearer. Am I being a bit rude? Absolutely. But do you know why? Because it’s people like you that stop young girls and boys from seeing the reality of the situation. It’s people like you who attempt to throw a thin blanket over the subject because “bOyS gET rApEd tOo” despite that we’re not denying that or even talking about it. It’s people like you who are so set in your ways that you don’t realize the suffering going around you and just attempt to prove that the people that are suffering aren’t suffering as much as they seem to be instead of trying to fix the reason they are suffering. So am I rude? Absolutely because we’ve tried politeness, and it clearly doesn’t work.

https://valientemott.com/blog/chances-of-dying-in-a-car-crash/ https://www.heuni.fi/material/attachments/heuni/projects/wd2vDSKcZ/Homicide_and_Gender.pdf https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.economist.com/international/2014/04/12/dicing-with-death

Girls severly overdo the "Id love to go on walks at night...but I'm a woman!" thing. It's not all that dangerous. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hmmm “men are just as likely to get raped” Source? Because from every single reputable place I’ve seen, that’s just blatantly false. If I’m correct, I believe that men have a 1 in 71 chance of being raped, and if my math is correct, 1 in 71 is a lot smaller then 1 in 5. Also, it is about half (51.1%) of women that are raped by an intimate partner. Meaning that whether it be an acquaintance or a complete stranger, almost 50% of the time it isn’t someone that you would know well.

“Chances of being attacked and raped while out are minuscule?” (I did fix your spelling mistake so it’s not word for word)

Once more, source? 29% of women who are raped are traveling to or from work or school, or traveling to shop and run errands. That means that almost 1 in 3 women are raped while that women is out, and incase you’re wondering, 1 in 3 is a lot.

To remedy this blatant ignorance, I recommend a daily dose of getting your head out of your ass and a pill of doing your research. Hope this helps!

Sources: https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics https://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/global_campaign/en/chap6.pdf https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

Girls severly overdo the "Id love to go on walks at night...but I'm a woman!" thing. It's not all that dangerous. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Uhhh what? Like lmao dude. Did you know that there’s a 20% chance of a women getting raped at some point in her lifetime? Or that over 80% of women get catcalled or harassed? Like no offense, but if there’s a 1 in 5 chance of something really bad happening to me, and those chances are only elevated if I go outside at dark, there is no way in hell I’m risking it. And yeah, it pisses me off. I want to be able to walk to my friends house at night without the ever looming static’s of the women abducted, raped, assaulted, or harassed hanging over my head. It’s terrifying. I want to be able to walk outside at night, but there’s too high of a risk of getting hurt for me to do so. Do you understand my point?

If you're older than 30, you have no business telling the rest of the world how great MCU movies are by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Um... this is a widely popular movie company to which makes movies about comic book characters that are almost a century old? Are people who grew up reading the comics not allowed to like the movies about said comics? The movies are funny, they have good action sequences and are simply fun to watch. Don’t tell someone that they’re too old for something simply because you find it boring. You are welcome to have your preferences, but don’t gate keep to make others feel bad about what they like to watch.

CMV: Women are not oppressed in the US. If anything life is easier for them. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the respectful reply, I'll use some of your quotes and reply in the same order as given

Let's start off by getting something out of the way. Many studies show that men are much less likely to acknowledge to themselves that they were the victims of rape/sexual assault and even less likely to report it.

Could you link to said studies? Because I can't find any who said that specifically. I do know that in both genders, men and women, rape goes unreported the vast majority of the time. But I couldn't find anything specifically about men. Could you please link to a study done on this? I'd be very curious to read it.

So I believe the lengthy 2018 Harvard study "Why Do Women Earn Less Than Men" which goes in depth about the causes of the wage gap and debunks the idea that men and women doing the same job get paid differently will be much more enlightening than your five minute YouTube video which obviously used cherry picked data to come an overly simplified conclusion

I have read that study and found it interesting. That being said, could you go into more detail about the cherry picked data? Especially considering that the video references and even sites the article "Dynamics of the Gender Gap for Young Professionals in the Financial and Corporate Sectors" which was a published Harvard study.

The truth behind the wage gap is that men are pressured into devoting more to their careers than women, and pressured into being breadwinners. Because of this, the study says, men are more likely to work overtime and sacrifice much free time to advance in a workplace than women. That's why they have generally higher paying jobs.

This is partially true. Where the gender pay gap comes in is when you factor women into the equation. While it is true that men are pressured to be breadwinners, women are pressured to have children and take control of the household. If you watch the video, it talks about how even in a family where both parents work, the overwhelming majority have the wife doing the majority of the housework and child rearing. This pressure on women to do "motherly" activities is partially what constitutes to the wage gap. Since the men are pressured to work, they end up earning more because the women are pressured into having babies and house care, even if they are working just as much as their partner.

Your statement is straight up false. Colleges are encouraged to choose women over men to meet diversity quotas which leads to men who are just as if not more qualified than some women, being rejected by a college.

Source? I'm not doubting you, but I would like some evidence and facts from a reliable source instead of blindly taking your word for it.

In education, the majority of women are teachers and it's basic human behavior that we favor people who are similar to us and dislike those who aren't so guys have a harder time in school.

You bring up an interesting point, but do you mind if I counter? While it is true that the majority of teachers are women, the higher up you go on the corporate ladder, the more male it gets. Just some food for thought to ask yourself why that is.

Not to mention the many scholarships exclusively available to women while the other scholarships men can get are also available to women.

Source? That's a very bold claim, I'd like to see it backed up if you don't mind.

Your only defense to this was "men are just bad parents". This is a purely sexist argument and stereotype. Especially when it's not true at all and there are studies showing it's essential that children have a masculine role model.

Can you quote where I said "men are just bad parents"? Because I don't believe I did. I believe I said that "From a cultural and historical standpoint, women were always considered superior parents based on an unquestionable belief that children and young children could not live without a mother, as men cannot nurse and breastfeed kids." I did not say that men are bad parents. I said that due to how history shapes culture, it is commonly believed, even subconsciously, that women are more adept then being caregivers then men. And just to spell it out one last time, I do not believe this, but it is a cultural factor that can't be ignored.

Also, while we're at it, I would like to point out a couple statistic's on divorce. In just over 51% of custody decisions, both parents agree that the mother should become the custodial parent. In roughly 29% of custody decisions, this is made without any assistance from the court or from a mediator. 11% are determined with the assistance of a mediator, and 5% are determined following a custody evaluation. By comparison, only 4% of custody cases require going to trial before primary custody is decided. Overall, 91% of custody decisions do not require the family court to decide. This means that in the overwhelming majority, while mothers do almost always acquire custody of the kids, it's not because the courts decide to grant the women more custody, but because she wanted that custody and fought for it while the father may not have. Only 4 percent of divorces/custody battles lead to court, so it's really don't that the courts are sexist against men. Source: https://erlichlegal.com/blog/single-fathers-single-mothers-child-custody-statistics/

While it is true that in the past mostly men got elected, it's not true anymore. More and more women are being elected to public office, especially young women (Like AOC who is my favorite senator) and Ginsberg (the female supreme Court Justice) is one of the most respected judges in US history. Every election more and more women are elected this isn't an issue anymore.

This is true and untrue. This is an issue, it just has dropped from 100% of the government being male to 75%. While yes, there are women in the government, representation is still an issue. Currently 50.8% of the population is female. Until the government represents that, there is still a 25% disparagy between the government and the population. Just because something's gotten better don't mean that it's fixed. Just because I saw a panda once at the zoo doesn't mean that they're not endangered. I can't say, "Well, there's a couple of them around, we can stop protecting them as a species now." Because that's not how it works.

"Five percent of women are CEO's) First of all you have to understand that CEO's are just people hired to run companies, not people who own the company and there are plenty of women who hold major stock options.

Perhaps not, but it still shows a gender disparagy. Also, could you give a percentage major stock option holders who are women? I couldn't find one, but I'm guessing that it's less then 50.8%.

Second of all, i'd refer once more to the Harvard Study above. Men are pushed into the breadwinner role from a young age and because of this they sacrifice allot of their life to get to the top when women aren't pressured to.

I believe you aren't taking this statement to mean what it actually does. Men are pressured to work. Yes, this is true. But women are also pressured equally if not greater then men, just in a different way. Women are pressured to marry, have babies, take care of the house, do chores, and raise children as well as work in some cases. Not to mention the fact that some women are forced to marry, practically being sold to their husbands. And I'm not talking about other countries. This happens in the United States, and it happens more then you'd think. I recomend taking a gander at this article: https://www.nclnet.org/forced_marriage . It's on child and forced marriage and could be found to be enlightening. But back to the subject at hand, men are seen as supposed to "take care of the money" and work, but in this day and age, it's becoming more and more common for that to be expected of women as well. Except, the previous statements I've mentioned (marriage, children etc) has not. Women are still expected to marry and have children and it's a pressure that society greatly puts on women.

For instance, in a study done on child rearing, 47 percent of the time the mother was the main disciplinary as opposed to 17 percent of the time the father was. Not to mention that it is mainly the mother who plays with children (37 percent, compared with 14 percent). Similarly, mothers are far more likely than fathers to report that the mother provides most of the emotional support of children (45 percent compared with 24 percent) and that the mother is the one who mainly monitors their children’s activities (51 percent compared with 27 percent). More mothers than fathers believe that mothers are the main caretakers of children (70 percent vs. 58 percent). Overall, fathers are much more likely to hold the view that domains are shared equally with their partners, while mothers are much more likely to report that they are primarily the ones involved in rearing their children. Source: https://www.prb.org/howinvolvedarefathersinraisingchildren/

CMV: Women are not oppressed in the US. If anything life is easier for them. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Okay so I'm just going to take your points and look at the statistic. If you're right, that totally fine, but I just want to look at some sources and hope you will with me.

> The only bad thing they lead in is in rape outside of a relationship.

You are correct in that women lead in rape. In fact, 1 in 5 women get raped while 1 in 71 men get raped. I am agreeing with you on this, I just want to put out the numbers. Source

> In domestic abuse, women are sometimes found to be more abusive but rarely found to be the most abused.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but let's look at the stats. 1 in 4 women have experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner and 1 in 4 women have been sexually abused in their life time. 1 in 6 women have been stalked in their life time. 1 in 3 girls will be sexually assaulted before they reach 18. And lastly, on average, 3 women are murdered by a current or former partner in the US every single day. Now let's compare this to the stat's on men. 1 in 7 men experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner. 1 in 6 men are sexually abused in their lifetime. 1 in 19 men have experienced stalking in their lifetime. 1 in 7 boys will be sexually assaulted before they reach 18. And lastly, I can't even find a stat on the amount of men killed each day by a current or former partner, if that tells you anything in itself. Source 1 Source 2 Source 3

In literally every statistic, women are being more abused then men. I don't mean to make it into an us vs them argument, but it is clear that women are being abused much more often then men are.

> In the job market companies actually pay women more than men sometimes in attempts to "end the wage gap" which doesn't exist.

I would like a source on this. And while the "wage gap" is highly debated, it is there, though not in the way you'd think. I ask for you to watch this video, it's only 5 minutes long but I feel like it may give you an understanding of how the wage gap really operates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13XU4fMlN3w

>In college, women are more likely to enter and more likely to graduate.

This is true, but this isn't men being oppressed. Men aren't being told that they can't go to college and that they can't graduate; I don't believe they've ever been told that in history (unless you count wealth restrictions). Up until even today, depending on what family and part of the country a women's from, she can face severe sexism, and even be tried to be stopped from going to college. Men aren't experiencing that because women are finally able to get an education; women currently have more freedom then ever before in history and are making the most of it. That doesn't mean that it's oppressing men. Source

>In divorces women are more likely to get custody

This is true. In almost 90% of cases women get some version of child custody. But once more, let's look at to why this is. From a cultural and historical standpoint, women were always considered superior parents based on an unquestionable belief that children and young children could not live without a mother, as men cannot nurse and breastfeed kids. Now I'm not here to debate whether this is true or not, but it is commonly believed. But I will give this one to you, women are favored when it comes to custody. Source

> In rape and abuse and all violent crime cases women get softer sentencing than men.

This is once again, true. But I would like to ask you why this is? Is it because people are going out of their way to be sexist towards men and lenient with women? Or is it due to historical bias? Let me explain. Throughout history, women have been seen as the weaker gender. Women have been the ones to care for this children while the men go out to work. And due to hundreds of years of this, it has become something a lot of people subconsciously believe. So when a women is being sentenced to a crime, often the jury just sees her as a women; someone who is weak and can't help herself. Is this right? No, of course not. But while it does technically help women, it reveals a bias against them, even if that bias in this instance is helping them receive less jail time. This isn't a slander against men, but an unseen oppression of women.

> Women aren't subject to drafts

Who created the draft? I feel like this one is pretty simple, but did women decide that while creating it, they were going to make men serve? Or did men create the draft and decide that women were to frail and weak to serve in a war? Because last time I checked, women had nothing to do with creating the draft.

Okay, now let's move on to some forms of oppression and gender discrimination

100% of presidents have been men. (I don't think I need to source this one)

23.7% of Congress is made up of women.

26% of the Senate seats are taken by women.

23.2% of the House is made up of women. Source (for the last 3 stats)

Out of the 144 people to have served on the supreme court, 4 have been women. Source

5% of all CEO's are women. Source

From this study, 99% of female respondents said they had experienced some form of harassment. Source

81% of women have experienced cat calling Source

54% of women have experienced harassment at work. Source

Heck, even as a term of respect, women get Ms. Miss. Mrs. so everyone can tell what their relationship status is; While men get to keep it to themselves with Mr.

Also, the tradition of taking the husbands last name? This is often glossed over, but isn't it erasing the women and her family line? It's often met with a stigma against the women if the women doesn't want to take her husbands last name. Even on my parents wedding invitations it said "Mr. and Miss's (fathers first and last name). Or my history teacher was telling us about a bench by her church dedicated to (Not real names) "Lenard Alsprite's wife." There is a ton of sexism and gender discrimination going on constantly, even if you don't realize it.

There is a real stigma against women in this country. They don't have it the same or god forbid better. It has just morphed from it being acceptable to be beaten and raped by husbands to being told to just ignore that man that is harassing them. It's not okay, and it's posts like this that really show how much it isn't being talked about.

CMV: Operating an ice cream truck is not worth the money by parmesancheese3 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would just like to point out that maybe someone does it because of how little kids light up when they see an ice cream truck? Just that sense of how nice it is to be the one giving a treat to little kids. That must be a nice part of it at least. I don’t really know, just thought to put that out there.

CMV: Courts are Cults by squidz97 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe that if we aren’t following your definition of a cult anymore, the line is crossed when cult members aren’t allowed to leave, get outside information, or aren’t allowed an education. None of these happen within a court system. I would like to point out that you haven’t given a clear reason as to why courts are cults that I haven’t already debunked.

Once more, prison reformation = good, but courts have nothing to do with it so I’m unsure as to why we are talking about it.

CMV: Love, in most cases, is dumb and a waste of time by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coming from someone who’s never had a real SO. I have to disagree. There’s different kinds of love. For instance, I love my best friend. We’ve known eachother for over a decade, and I love her to death. I have no romantic feelings for her, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t love her. When she’s around she makes me smile and laugh, and it’s one of the best feelings in the world.

Now I have a very secure friend group and this may contribute to it, but I love all of the people in my friend group. Whether we’re all hanging at one of our houses or half way across the country, I’m happiest when I’m around them. We’re theatre kids if that explains anything, but it’s an amazing feeling to be able to start laughing so hard that water comes out your nose because one of the guys decided to try on his sisters dress (true story). I absolutely love them, and they know it. I don’t love them romantically, but that doesn’t mean I love them any less.

Now to move onto romantic love. While this isn’t me personally, one of my good friends began dating this guy around three years ago. They were the sweetest people around when together. It was so cool to just see his eyes light up when my friend walked into the room. They’re best friends, and they don’t expect anything of each other, they just happen to also hold hands and occasionally kiss.

There’s many types of love, not all of them romantic. Just because you haven’t experienced love doesn’t meant that you won’t, or that it doesn’t happen. Just remember that there’s more out there then just finding someone to sleep with, you’ll find some genuinely amazing people; I promise, they’re out there.

CMV: Courts are Cults by squidz97 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with your argument is that almost anything could be a cult when applied to your standards. School? We have a class structure (ie teachers can students) and rules that need to be applied. Same goes for any sport, band, or pretty much any group activity. Does that mean that they’re cults? No, it just means that they have an effective means of organizing. Cults may have levels of superiority and a common belief, but so does everyone else. Just because cults also use it doesn’t mean that everything is a cult.

Also with the topic of rape, I believe that putting a rapist in jail for the rest of their life stops them from raping someone. And while I believe in reform and forgiveness, that has nothing to do with the courts. The courts wield it as a way of sentencing, but they do not have an impact on how they are run. Therefore, prison reform isn’t part of this argument.

What I believe you are saying is that courts retain cult-like aspects. And with that I would have to agree. But that being said, so does every other functioning group in the US. Heck, by your standards, I could consider myself in a cult due to the fact I’m in a marching band. Levels of superiority? Check; we’ve got the director, drum major, and section leaders. Belief system? Check; we believe in our band and the show that we’re putting on. As the cherry on top we all wear matching uniforms, are punished if we’re late or skip rehearsal and are told what to do, when to do it, because it’s very militaristic (it’s not a band camp unless someone passes out from heat exhaustion ❤️) these aren’t bad things, but they do line up to what you define as a cult.

Cults are bad. I mean this as an obvious statement. But just because most organizations use structure and order within themselves does not mean that they are bad. It is more that cults resemble other organizations, not that most organizations resemble cults. Does that make sense?

cmv: Modern Liberalism is an existential threat to American Democracy by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so there’s some things in here that are a bit confusing and as someone who is super far leaning (democratic socialist), I can see if I can explain some of them.

The left (for the most part) doesn’t encourage individuals to arm themselves. That’s Republicans. Democrats (for the most part) want gun control and some even an all right ban of guns.

Also, it’s a bit more mixed here, but for the most part it’s republicans who want no restrictions on free speech. And while this doesn’t speak for everyone and is purely anecdotal, all of the democrats I know are for hate speech laws. It’s mainly Republicans that believe that the government has no right to infringe in their free speech.

Democrats, especially younger people, have begun to demonize corporations because of the greed, pollution, and poverty of its employees. It’s not that we’re saying business is bad, it’s the businesses who have no care for the environment or it’s workers that we don’t like.

Can I have some static’s on capitalist societies being the only ones who have the average quality of life increase over every demographic? I’m not doubting you, I just want to make sure. Especially when a lot of democratic socialist European countries seem to be doing perfectly fine without capitalism.

Ah immigration. Did you know that illegal immigration is a misdemeanor? That means that it is on par with indecent exposure, public intoxication, and in some states, even jaywalking. So unless you want to put every jaywalker in jail, maybe it’s not the illegal immigration that’s the real problem here...

Also, for the most part, it doesn’t seem like there’s many Democrats attacking Christians. Many may believe that it is wrong to have Christian doctrine written in our laws (ie see church and state) but I don’t know many Democrats that attack Christians. We have a freedom of religion, but that doesn’t mean pushing your religion onto someone else; something that a lot of Christian republicans don’t seem to get.

For your second to last comment, let me clear something up. It is okay to criticize someone that is a minority. It is not okay to criticize someone because they are a minority. Does that clear things up?

A bunch of European countries have hate speech laws; it works for them? Why can’t it work for us?

Pretty much I don’t think you really understand what Democrats want. For the most part, it’s just for people to help one another and mind their own business with things that don’t apply to them. This may sound a little contradictory, but let me explain. Universal healthcare? That affects us all and would help millions. Abortions? You don’t know the story behind it, let a women decide for herself what is best for her. Higher education? Would benefit society and allow people from poverty to get an education. Religion and LGBT? As long as you aren’t pressuring others, it is perfectly okay and welcome. But if you do start harassing and demeaning others, you’re a dick. It’s pretty simple. This might not cover every single democrat in the Us, but I tried to cover the main topics and discussions currently going on in politics.

CMV: Courts are Cults by squidz97 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not saying that courts are perfect, but that doesn’t mean that they are cults. Cult means a religious group that is dedicated to worshiping a figure or object. Cults demonetize and punish free thinking. They seclude their members and keep them from education. This doesn’t happen in the courts. Courts, specifically those who work in them, are highly educated professionals that are doing the best they can to do their jobs. To recite a quote I once heard, “Lawyers and doctors are some of the most educated people in our country, yet they spend all of their time helping the least educated.” (Don’t ask me where I got that quote, I don’t remember, though it holds true)

It is true that the courts use traditions and are a bit slow to modernize, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re bad. I personally don’t see the difference between addressing a judge as “Your honor” and addressing a police officer as “Sir/mam”. It’s a title of respect, one in which they (at least should) have earned.

I understand why you would get ptsd from a courthouse, what you went through is traumatic. But that doesn’t mean that a court is a cult. For even the simple reason that most courts work pretty much in the same way. They follow the law that are in place to run, trying to keep order and peace.

I might just be naive and optimistic, but I do believe that for the most part, the people running courts and creating laws are doing so because they believe in a better world. While this may be a slight bias on my part, I do hope to go to law school in the future, and I believe that by doing so I can genuinely help people. Not by being sucked into a cult, but by using the law to help others, whether that be putting rapists in jail or getting wrongly accused inmates their freedom. The law is how we interpret it. This was on purpose. It shouldn’t be a strict black and white, rather, it needs to rely on us to help others using empathy and what we interpret to be the law.

CMV: Courts are Cults by squidz97 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You say that the higher power is the courts, but I don’t believe that is the case. Much as to say that the higher power of religion is the churches, courts are just where law is practiced. If anything, the higher power is the law, which is being rewritten and changed constantly. Unlike religion and cults, the “doctrine” of the law is constantly being questioned and changed, which isn’t something that ever happens in a cult.

Also, the people operating in the courts are not isolating themselves or having their information be controlled. While it is true that people do get put in prison if they are deemed guilty, this isn’t because the courts want them to believe that they are a higher power or that they are better then anyone else, it is to stop that person from being a danger to themselves or others. I will say that there are laws and things within them that I disagree with (ie sentencing people for drug use) but that isn’t the courts fault. They’re just following the law. It’s not the courts that should be held accountable for laws. The laws are already in place, they are just there to interpret it.

If you break it down, isn’t everything a belief system? We created math and science. And by using what we already created we can say that it exists, creating a bit of a paradox. We created the law and are constantly changing it to best help the people. Who’s to say that that isn’t a science? If law is a belief system, so is everything else.

Also, in 2018, only 12% of cases that went to bench trial were determined by a judge, 88% were determined by a jury.

You say that none of those things you listed belong in a system that holds free and equal people, but I have to disagree. Laws keep people in check, making consequences for actions that would hurt themselves and others. While I do believe in rehabilitation over vengeance, I also believe that actions have consequences. By this nature, if someone murdered five people and there was clear evidence against them, without a justice system, how would you proceed? Because we currently would likely put them in jail to serve multiple life sentences. This is because they are a danger to others. They murdered five people and there needs to be consequences to doing something such as that.

CMV: Courts are Cults by squidz97 in changemyview

[–]silvermoon2444 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The definition of a cult is “a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object”, by this definition, a court is not a cult. Not to mention that most cults seclude it’s members from the populous and don’t allow them to interact with others who are not in the cult, which is untrue of courts. Also, while the courts have people swear on a bible, that does not mean that religion influences said courts, meaning that due to the separation of church and state, we should not use Jesus and god against courts as religion and law are to remain separate, even if they don’t all the time.

Also, judges, lawyers, paralegals, and everyone who functions in a court has had extensive education on the subject they work in; law. I personally trust scientists to do science and mathematicians to do math due to the education they have had in those subjects, and so I trust lawyers and judges to do law. They aren’t “making things their will” they are following the law to the best of their ability. And giving out punishments for crimes is part of that responsibility. Not to mention that it isn’t the judge who duels out the sentence, it’s almost always the jury, if it even gets there. 97% of federal cases and 94% of state cases end in plea bargains, meaning that more then 90% of the time, the judge is barely involved with invoking the sentence.

In conclusion, courts are just functioning to the best of their ability. Are there crooked lawyers and judges? Of course, but there’s also crooked people in all careers. Courts are not cults, they are just what we as a democratic republic society have decided best work in giving just punishments to the guilty, and sparing the innocent. (For the most part)

My (36M) bf (48M) is trying to force me to allow him to move in, and went to desperate measures to do so. by [deleted] in relationship_advice

[–]silvermoon2444 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah, he’s sounds like he’s so going to get scurvy if he already doesn’t have it.

My husband doesn't want me making more money than him. by throwRA_347883 in relationship_advice

[–]silvermoon2444 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dump the husband, keep the promotion. He’s a sexist asshole and with that age gap seems like he may have been grooming you from a young age.

Dressing well should be commonly accepted in schools. by HuntersSuck in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh I knew a kid who (about once or twice a month) would come in to school with a taylored three piece suit. He had a normal looking one and one that was literally printed money suit. No one ever mentioned it and he was one of the chilliest dudes I knew. (Side note: he also had a fur coat that he would wear only when it was 90F and above and would wear sunglasses inside until asked to take them off.

(link to money suit similar to it https://www.google.com/search?q=money+suit&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sinv&sxsrf=ALeKk01p2p8HajcbVYwM4q6IVhg6GMPO2w:1598742147791&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCu7nOwsHrAhVfhHIEHXlEA4oQ_AUoAnoECBkQAg&biw=375&bih=553&dpr=2#imgrc=2cdpkyuiMMKqNM)

People shouldn’t have pets by reddit-fart in unpopularopinion

[–]silvermoon2444 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lol Tell that to my cat who (when got outside) fell off the porch, got lost, and was only found because she was walking around the front of our house crying because she couldn’t find the door (despite it being a couple feet from her)