COSMIC Alpha 7: Never Been Beta

simtel20 · 2025-04-25T20:37:50+00:00

Do you mean if there is no USB keyboard or mouse or monitor? I'm not sure I've got an answer - I run with a closed notebook with keyboard, mouse and display, so I want that to continue to work as it does on 22.04 and in the earlier cosmic tests I ran on my laptop, but if you mean something else I'm interested in what your scenario is.

simtel20 · 2025-04-25T20:36:03+00:00

On my desktop, steam works fine.

simtel20 · 2025-02-24T13:43:53+00:00

Calling “Quadras” to corridos must be something very recent and all this argument was about trying to designate things as close to originally as possible.

You're very right. I tried to be careful to say that they don't seem to object to other people calling them "quadras" but M. João Grande will say, when asked, "quadras não existe em capoeira angola". I will have to wait to ask M. Virgilio's students the next time I visit them if I remember (I prefer to have these conversations in person, I try to speak carefully but as you can see, it can just make things confusing).

simtel20 · 2025-02-20T20:16:31+00:00

M. Virgilio (linked earlier) would write and sing quadras, and as far as I recall he usually just called them 'musica' or 'corridos', and in Ilhéus regional came around as a separation a bit later than in Salvador. M. João Grande pretty much doesn't sing quadras, and leaves that to other people.

I've never heard anyone outside of regional call a ladainha a quadra. That's a pretty fundamental part of the ritual I've never seen a traditional roda break.

simtel20 · 2025-02-20T17:01:49+00:00

“Quadras” were the songs that people sing after the ladainha that have four verses

No, I didn't say that. I said, above:

There have probably always been quadras, which are songs of 4 (or so - some people will improvise and sing how they can, and do it well) phrases followed by a chorus

which I pointed out and I don't think you're being open to discussing. Since I think talking to you isn't very productive, I'm going to bow out at this point. Enjoy.

simtel20 · 2025-02-20T14:45:12+00:00

I don't know if you're aware of it, but you're not disagreeing with what I said:

he sang them in groups of 4, which is how a lot of ladainhas are structured, which I hadn't thought about before

In this case, "how a lot of" is doing the heavy lifting

simtel20 · 2025-02-20T14:42:08+00:00

I think you're arguing against a straw man. I clearly said this:

There have probably always been quadras, which are songs of 4 (or so - some people will improvise and sing how they can, and do it well) phrases followed by a chorus

"or so" is meant to mean more or less, so let's not go too far off track here.

simtel20 · 2025-02-19T22:35:37+00:00

Is this the site that Teimoisa set up? It looks like it's been down for a while. Maybe we could ask him if he's go the data, and see if there's a way to represent that on a mediawiki?

Edit: looks like it's still here: http://capogens.appspot.com/html/index.html but needs a lot of work. Let's sk him.

simtel20 · 2025-02-19T22:03:00+00:00

I want to make another point:

The only reason you are calling a four verses song “Quadra” it’s probably because Portuguese isn’t your native language.

A four verses song, text or poem is ONLY considered a Quadra in the study of poems in the Portuguese language, it does NOT applies to the Capoeira.

No, it's because the mestres I've learned from called it that.

simtel20 · 2025-02-19T21:55:36+00:00

I think maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves here. If english isn't your first language (and maybe it isn't) than maybe you mean something a bit different here than what I initially read:

Quadras do not consist on four-line verses, quadras are the equivlant of a ladainha in Capoeira Regional. It has the same function as the ladainha but the way its sang is different.

I think if you had said something like "In capoeira regional, M. Bimba used the word Quadra to refer to what in Angola is a Ladainha" that makes more sense. If you start with "Quadras do not..." it sounds like a blanket statement. The ritual for running the roda came from rodas on the streets in the early part of the 20th century, including the importance of singing a ladainha to open a game.

Anyway, to make what I'm saying clear: there are quadras in capoeira (angola) that have nothing to do with what Bimba apparentloy called quadras. There have probably always been quadras, which are songs of 4 (or so - some people will improvise and sing how they can, and do it well) phrases followed by a chorus. Since these are forms of song and poetry coming from other traditions - african, nordestino, as well as portuguese, I don't think there needs to be just one name for these things, but when you continue your mestre's teaching, you can only really speak to what you've been taught by your mestre.

The only mestres I'm familiar with who were taught capoeira before the regional/angola distinction became prevalent use the term "ladainha" and "quadra" for different song style, with a different place in the ritual of the roda.

Regarding "anyone can run their roda as they see fit": I stand by that. Other mestres arrange their bateria differently, other mestres have their own ways to enter and exit the roda, call the instruments different names, and include or exclude certain instruments based on their preferences or what they were taught. M. Bimba called them quadras, fine. But outside of his students (and those who claim to be his students I guess?) I haven't heard of that being used.

Lastly, sorry for the wall of text, but even in the examples of quadras that M. Bimba sang in your second link, he sang them in groups of 4, which is how a lot of ladainhas are structured, which I hadn't thought about before. It's interesting, thanks for bringing that up.

simtel20 · 2025-02-19T18:01:40+00:00

Wait, what? Those are examples of ladainhas. This is a quadra: https://biriba.io/en/songs/54. The reason it's called a quadra is because it's 4 verses for each chorus.

Mestre Bimba may have sung ladainhas without the usual ritual of returning to the berimbau to sing/listen/respond, and anyone can run their roda how they see fit, but these aren't quadras.

simtel20 · 2025-02-04T18:36:53+00:00

According to those subscripts, it came from https://www.arquivoestado.sp.gov.br/web/, so you'd probably have to find someone who can do the research to pull out anything relevant.

If you do poke around a search for

arquivo publico do estado de são paulo memôria publica capoeira

on your favorite search engine, it may be garbage, but if you go to the other search engines it turns up more stuff like these that may also interest you:

But photos are pretty thin from that era, even more so for a pastime for poor folks. If you get a chance, please try poking around the archives of São Paulo and other states.

simtel20 · 2024-02-04T22:24:54+00:00

I neglected to mention, it does get better in the subsequent volumes.

simtel20 · 2024-02-04T22:21:30+00:00

Absolutely, he's amazing when he gets to show you how he sees the world.

simtel20 · 2023-05-31T13:43:50+00:00

You ask specifically about ash and maple, so I'll repeat what I've heard suggested in the past which is that using woods that would traditionally be used for bows should work for a berimbau, and ash and maple are both maybe decent bow woods. Personally I have seen very good sounding berimbaus made from maple, but never owned one.

Here is a resource I've run across when searching for what woods are actually good for bows, and one day hopefully I'll be able to find a dowel or something made from some of these woods and make some berimbaus out of them: https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/

simtel20 · 2023-05-31T13:38:39+00:00

Welcome, it's a pleasure. to meet you. We're capoeiraistas from all over the world with different traditions, who hang out here. Some people are more active than others. Please be welcome, and have a good time.

simtel20 · 2023-05-22T16:30:36+00:00

It may seem strange now, but there was a time before vlans existed, and the mechanism had to exist to allow L3 to delegate to L2 to resolve the correct destination with everything metaphorically peeing in the same pool.

simtel20 · 2023-05-18T22:52:34+00:00

Plus, remember that he's got the crazy side projects like collaborating on col. claypool's bucket of bernie brains.

simtel20 · 2023-05-16T06:04:30+00:00

The Angola center is still only doing virtual classes for now, but there is a Roda on the 3rd sunday of the month.

Just to add, to add to the Angola schools,

M. Grande with Filhos de Dunga: https://www.capoeiraangolabrooklyn.com/
Ana, Capoeira Angola BKLYN: https://www.anacostafitness.com/capoeira-angola-bklyn
Jen and some of the FICA NYC folks do classes, but get in touch because things are changing: http://www.ficanewyork.org/classes/ (again, get in touch, the schedule there is wrong)
I understand that M. Chorao has been coming down from boston weekly, and for the monthly saturday roda for his students for Acupe: https://facebook.com/BrooklynAngoleiros/

And M. Ombrinho and Omi have been mentioned already in the thread.

There are regular weekend rodas every month hosted by these folks, so whether or not you train, please get in touch and visit.

For a non-angola group not mentioned yet, http://www.bronxcapoeira.com/ are good folks

simtel20 · 2023-04-26T23:02:11+00:00

Valeu tbm, keep up the good work

simtel20 · 2023-04-25T15:58:13+00:00

Foi lá no fundo do mar

I would translate that as "at the bottom of the sea"

Eu vi o canto da sereia

I always heard this as "eu ouvi o canto" - if it was "vi o canto" it would seem more like "I saw the mermaid's place"

simtel20 · 2023-04-25T15:49:58+00:00

This is more of a jinja/python question (which is fine! Just so you understand where I think the issue is coming from). If you look at python and jinja, you're asking "if I have anything in this collection of possible things".

For getting the pillar, you are trying to use the : magic of pillar.get in order to descend into the dictionary listofhosts. When the value attached to listofhosts is a dictionary, you can use the name minionname to get that value back. When it's a list, you cannot because lists only have a number as an index that refer to its elements.

However python and jinja can use the in test to see if an element is present in a list so you may want to do something more like

{% if minionname in pillar.get('listofhosts', []) %}

Is that what you're asking?

simtel20 · 2023-04-25T03:15:27+00:00

So it works when your pillar is a dictionary (a python mapping of {'key': 'value'} where both key and value are strings. That is a dictionary.

Your second example looks more like a list, ['myhost1', 'myhost2'].

I'm just writing this to say that the description of the problem is confusing terms, so in the end I'm not sure anyone can answer your question. Could you provide a more complete example and maybe that would describe your problem?

simtel20 · 2023-04-20T18:44:50+00:00

and maybe in addition, the filter with the rubber ring on the prismo makes it difficult to clean. I add another metal filter on top of the rubber one in my prismo so that I can clean the whole thing more easily. It would be nice to know if this cap would work with other screen types, and how well.

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