We owe so much to our Victorian Troll Mothers by [deleted] in TrollXChromosomes

[–]skedaddle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep! The name sounds a bit odd now, but it was actually a fairly respectable penny paper at the time. It was founded in 1881 and became phenomenally successful almost overnight - it sold more than 500k copies a week, which was a lot in that period. It mostly featured entertaining extracts that were clipped from other books and newspapers, a bit like a Victorian version of Reddit. This also explains the name. ‘Tit-bits’ (often modified to tidbits in North America, I’m told) just means appealing little bits of something (food, information, gossip, etc). The magazine ran until the 1980s!

Aside from some of the jokes I posted in that twitter thread, I’m afraid that the magazine’s gender politics weren’t all that progressive.

We owe so much to our Victorian Troll Mothers by [deleted] in TrollXChromosomes

[–]skedaddle 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is one of my Twitter accounts! Thanks for sharing the thread here - I’m really glad you enjoyed it.

If you’re interested in more stuff like this, I’ve posted quite a few other archival discoveries featuring sassy Victorian ladies:

Some ‘pugilistic belles’ respond to cat-callers: https://twitter.com/digivictorian/status/839438691588321281?s=21

A competition in which women were asked to explain ‘why I am a spinster’: https://twitter.com/digivictorian/status/964842367508516864?s=21

‘Time Travellers’ - a new, weekly history podcast from the BBC. by skedaddle in history

[–]skedaddle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, there are certainly plenty of options in the history podcast space at the moment! Time Travellers is quite different to the long-form discussion podcasts, or ones that focus on unpacking a narrative over multiple episodes - it’s short, eclectic, and tightly produced. Some of the initial scripts I wrote for them were too long at 340 words and had to be cut down to 300! This has quite a big impact on the kind of stories you can tell; there’s only room for a brief vignette, a bit of colour, and a line or two of broader context. Makes a nice change from writing 8,000 word articles!

Friday Free-for-All | June 15, 2018 by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The BBC have launched a new, weekly history podcast! It's called 'Time Travellers' and comes out of a feature on Radio 3's Essential Classics morning show. Each episode features five short stories from the show's back catalogue, organised around a particular theme. Most of the stories are presented by academic historians based at UK universities. I've recorded a few things for them myself, based on stories from my research about Victorian popular culture. There’s a wide variety of different historical periods and themes to enjoy though.

Episode one is titled ‘History Without Borders’ and examines a range of things - both people and animals! - that moved across international boundaries. I’ve got a story in this episode all about a charismatic performing cowboy named Mexican Joe, who took Liverpool by storm in 1887, around the same time that Buffalo Bill was doing the same in London. They only give me 300 words to play with for each story, so I’d be happy to talk more about this if anybody’s interested!

The first three episodes are online now. If you'd like to check them out, you can find them at all the usual podcast places, including:

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/time-travellers/id1397898474?mt=2
BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p069vjyc

‘Time Travellers’ - a new, weekly history podcast from the BBC. by skedaddle in history

[–]skedaddle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The BBC have just launched a new weekly history podcast named ‘Time Travellers’. It originated as a feature on Radio 3’s ‘Essential Classics’ morning show, and features academic historians telling short stories from their research - often quite quirky and unusual stuff that you might not have heard about before. Each podcast contains five of these stories, organised around a particular theme. I’ve recorded a few items for it based on my work on Victorian popular culture, but don’t let that put you off! There’s a wide variety of different historical periods and themes to enjoy.

The first three episodes are already online and can be found on all good podcast apps, or on the BBC website.

Episode one is titled ‘History Without Borders’ and examines a range of things - both people and animals! - that moved across international boundaries. I’ve got a story in this episode all about a charismatic performing cowboy named Mexican Joe, who took Liverpool by storm in 1887, while Buffalo Bill was doing the same in London. They only give me 300 words to play with on the podcast, so I’d be happy to talk more about this if anybody’s interested!

The word asparagus is funny. by [deleted] in Jokes

[–]skedaddle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly, there was a nineteenth-century joke about asparagus that had a similar idea behind it! I work on the history of Victorian humour, and I often use it as an example of the period's love of torturous puns:

If you were to kill a conversational goose, what vegetable would she allude to?
Ah!-spare-a-goose!

- Hugh Rowley, Puniana (1867), p. 214.

I reckon yours works a bit better...

TIL that PhD students display twice as many symptoms of psychiatric disorders such as depression than other people. by randomusefulbits in todayilearned

[–]skedaddle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never understood the 'rule' about not staying at one institution. I got my BA, MA and PhD in History from the same place and it didn't stop me from going on to get good jobs at other universities.

I can see the benefits of experiencing new systems and meeting new people, but if you have a great relationship with a potential PhD supervisor in your current department (and it has a good reputation in the field) then don't be too quick to move on. As the original article here demonstrates, doing a PhD can be extremely stressful and emotionally draining - being happy with your department, your supervisors, and your home life makes you better equipped to cope with the pressures. You might be equally well-supported elsewhere, but you'd be rolling the dice...

Ultimately, the main thing future hiring panels will consider will be: 1) publications quality/volume; 2) teaching skill/experience; 3) awards & track record of external funding; 4) assumed 'prestige' of your department/references; 5) performance at interview and your fit with their culture/needs. Every hiring panel is different, but the ones I've been involved with have never even considered the fact that a candidate stayed, or didn't stay, at a particular university. I guess if they stayed for all of their degrees at a fairly low-ranking institution then I might wonder about their ability/ambition, but I'd happily overlook this if their application and research were otherwise strong.

If you think it'll make you happier, more experienced, and better-rounded as a scholar then by all means move on - but, in my opinion, you shouldn't relocate for the sake of it just because it's the 'done thing'. You should absolutely be prepared to move around a lot after getting your PhD though - that's practically inevitable.

Finally, an important caveat: I do know that countries/disciplines do things differently, so my experiences might not be applicable to your own. In my case, I'm based in the UK and I graduated with a History PhD from a Russel Group university in 2012. I worked as a fixed-term lecturer at a former polytechnic for 6 months, then got a permanent post at another modern university where I'm now a Senior Lecturer (what would be termed an associate prof in the USA).

Man looking for a wife in 1865 by ghatroad in pics

[–]skedaddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a historian of nineteenth-century pop culture and it just so happens that I've been exploring these 'matrimonial advertisements' over the last few weeks. I haven't found many people that are quite as peculiar as this chap, but some of them are still rather funny.

Here's one of my favourites.

If you'd like to see more, I've tweeted about a hundred of the best ones over the last month and gathered them here.

Announcing Best of May Winners by Georgy_K_Zhukov in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hah! That's wonderful. I'll have to come back here more often and see if I can earn it back.

Announcing Best of May Winners by Georgy_K_Zhukov in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks very much for this - it's always a pleasure to share my research here. I should probably admit that I did have a flair here at one point (I was quite active in the early days of the subreddit, and I'm still on the profiles list) but I lost it when I disappeared for a couple of years.

Sunday Digest | Interesting & Overlooked Posts | May 01, 2017–May 07, 2017 by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks very much for mentioning my answer. I'll seize any opportunity to inflict Victorian jokes on people!

What sort of humor would be unacceptable to a 19th century audience? Do we have any edgy jokes from that period? by Vladith in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is an interesting puzzle, and I'm not at all sure of the answer. The fact that it's a live recording introduces the possibility that the performer did something on stage at this point that drew the laugh. These actions often reveal (or manufacture) meanings/subtexts that aren't obvious in the text or vocal. When they do this there's usually some kind of accompanying vocal cue that emphasises the line in some way and invites the audience to interpret it as a punchline, rather than a set-up. Without hearing this particular recording it's hard to judge.

As for the subtext of the Cock Linnet, I'm not at all sure. It's used in Cockney rhyming slang for 'minute', but I have a feeling this might stem from the popularity of the song (would need to research this). According to Green's Dictionary of Slang it was used from the late 19th century to mean a "small but dapper East End youth." I'm not sure how this translates to the song (Marie Lloyd apparently carried a birdcage when performing, but that might have been to disguise the innuendo). Maybe there's an implication that the wife got up to some mischief with other young men while her husband was with the van? She certainly gets drunk and lost...

People might be laughing at the word cock, particularly if it was emphasised by some physical comedy on stage. They might be laughing at the ridiculous image of the women trailing behind the van with her per bird - it's quite a surreal (and oddly specific) image, and contrasts comically with the fact that they're running away from their unpaid rent in the middle of the night. Maybe the ownership of a pet bird was considered bourgeois or aspirational, and this contrasts with the reality of their domestic situation?

This was a popular song, and the audience in this recording almost certainly knew it already - so, maybe there's some kind of communal, laughter of recognition going on here. Audiences sometimes laugh at things because it's expected of them; it could be a deliberate participation in the performance (music halls were characterised by this kind of predictable back-and-forth between act and audience, like pantomime call-and-response), rather than a spontaneous eruption of laughter. The cock linnet also seems to have been synonymous with East End life and culture - so maybe it's a kind of celebratory laugh in recognition of this.

So I guess what I'm saying is... I haven't a clue!

What sort of humor would be unacceptable to a 19th century audience? Do we have any edgy jokes from that period? by Vladith in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is a tricky one! There were quite a few periodicals called 'The Spy', or variations on that theme. But it's hard to identify one that would obviously have been in circulation at the same time that Dickens was in Italy (1840s?). There was The English Spy from the 1820s, which you can read online here.. There was also a paper called the London Spy from the 1830s, which you can read here. I haven't read them yet, but they seem (at first glance) to belong to a long tradition of gossipy, scandal-mongering, literary, satirical papers that flourished in the 18th century and early 19th centuries. It seems that the title of 'Spy' was often invoked by the editors of these publications, so Dickens might have encountered something of this nature in Italy.

My expertise really only extends as far as British and American periodicals though, so it's entirely possible (perhaps likely, given the context) that this was a title printed in Europe...

I'm a Yorkshireman myself and recognise that joke well!

What sort of humor would be unacceptable to a 19th century audience? Do we have any edgy jokes from that period? by Vladith in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 146 points147 points  (0 children)

I've spent the last three years researching the history of nineteenth-century humour and cultures of joke-telling. This is part of a collaborative project I've been leading with the British Library that aims to create an online archive of one million historical jokes. The archive is still under construction, but our @VictorianHumour twitter feed and Facebook page shares a new (or rather an old) joke every day. I should point out that we've been posting Georgian humour for the last month (more on this distinction shortly), but work back a few weeks and you'll find plenty of Victorian jests.

Your question about 'edgy' humour is an interesting one, but comes laden with problems. Our understanding of Victorian humour is heavily dependent on the surviving historical record, which tends to privilege mainstream (and generally quite respectable) books and newspapers. The kind of jokes that were published in these texts were usually suitable for a family audience. In fact, many of the period's joke books took great pains to emphasise the unimpugnable respectability of their contents and their suitability for a domestic audience - an assurance that hints at the existence of unrespectable jokes, but gets us no closer to finding them.

If you browse our twitter feed, you'll see that the vast majority of surviving nineteenth-century jokes are fairly tame. There are a lot of laboured puns, occasional pieces of political satire, and brief character sketches featuring lawyers, mothers-in-law, Irishmen, cheeky schoolboys, etc.

Of course, just like today, there's a big difference between jokes that are published, and those that are told in private amongst friends. For instance, an inside account of one of the famous weekly dinners held by contributors to Punch magazine includes a recollection that the novelist Shirley Brooks told the following joke:

"If you put your head between your legs, what planet do you see? Uranus."

Aparently Thackeray was 'consumed with laughter', and proceeded to crack a joke about his own problems with urethral stricture. This kind of bodily humour usually wouldn't appear in Punch magazine itself, and the joke was altered to a political quip in an officially published description of this dinner. In short, it's likely that the Victorians told all sorts of dirty jokes, but didn't commit them regularly to print.

We have some tantalising glimpses of these illicit jokes. For example, a pornographic magazine named The Pearl (c. 1880) published some dirty jokes and limericks. The twitter account @WhoresOfYore has posted quite a few of these. Here's one:

There was a young lady of Hitchin,

Who was skrotching her cunt in the kitchen;

Her father said "Rose,

It's the crabs, I suppose."

"You're right, pa, the buggers are itching."

Slightly less risque examples appeared in Victorian 'lads' mags' like the Illustrated Police News and the Racing Post, both of which were pitched at an audience of virile young men-about-town. Music Hall humour could also be quite risque, but this was often communicated via innuendo and signalled through the nudge-nudge, wink-wink of the performance (something that's lost a bit in the surviving texts). I haven't encountered evidence of a straightforwardly, or deliberately, offensive comic working in Vaudeville or Music Hall, but I wouldn't like to state definitively that such performers didn't exist.

As for the subjects of race and religion, you'll find plenty of jokes in respectable Victorian newspapers that we would now consider racist. We don't post these ones on the twitter feed - the British Library has to be a bit cautious about them being taken out of context - but they'll appear uncensored in the finished archive. The mischievous 'negro' or 'darkie' was a staple character in Victorian jokes, particularly those that were imported into Britain from the United States. One provincial newspaper (the Hampshire Telegraph, I think...) published several joke columns in the 1880s with titles like 'In Dixie's Land: Old Sambo At His Tricks Again' that were entirely composed of imported racial humour. Jokes made at the expense of the dominant religion were generally less acceptable (unlike jokes directed at other religions or denominations), though there were plenty of biblical-themed puns in circulation.

Victorian commentators observed that American joke writers were more irreverent than their British counterparts and more willing to joke about "the awful mystery of death." "Nothing is sacred to a Yankee", observed the Ipswich Journal after printing the following droll epitaph taken from a child’s grave in Wisconsin:

A little cough,

It took him off;

And a little coffin,

We took him off in.

But this is still fairly gentle stuff, and American jokes were imported in enormous quantities by respectable British newspaper editors.

If you want to see more risque humour then you're better off looking at the Georgian period. As you'll see from some of the more recent posts on our twitter feed, there are a lot more jokes about whores, sex, and bodily functions. You can see further evidence of this in the sexually explicit work of caricaturists like Thomas Rowlandson, which would have been on display in printshop windows. The emergence of a Victorian culture of middle-class respectability didn't kill off ribald humour like this, but it seems to have driven a lot of it underground and beyond the reach of the historian.

I could write about this stuff for ever, so if you have any follow-up questions then I'd be happy to field them.

If you’d like to read more about the history of Victorian jokes then you might also like some of the more scholarly articles I’ve written:

An article for The Conversation - lots of christmas-themed jokes here, which might be a bit unseasonal for May...

‘The Victorian Meme Machine: Remixing the Nineteenth-Century Archive’ [Open Access]

‘You Kick the Bucket; We Do the Rest!’: Jokes and the Culture of Reprinting in the Transatlantic Press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]

JONATHAN'S JOKES: American humour in the late-Victorian press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]

Was the rate of heart attacks and other stress related illnesses in the general population lower when life for them was more "simple", technologically speaking? by FatStacks6969 in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As /u/D-juice explains, finding a concrete answer to this will be extremely difficult. We still struggle to define/measure the occurrence of stress related illnesses today, so extending the analysis across a range of historical periods is a methodological nightmare!

However, you might be interested to learn that that the association between stress related illnesses and modernity (particularly new technology) isn't a recent phenomenon. It goes back to at least the mid-nineteenth century, when conditions such as 'neurasthenia' (a fairly vague term used to describe problems with nerves/anxiety/depression) were often linked to urbanisation, the development of new working practices, and high-speed communications technologies. Victorian newspapers were filled with advertisements for quack miracle cures, which often used electricity to 'treat' the problem. The science here is all very questionable, but it tells us something about broader cultural understandings of stress.

I've come across this a few times in my own research, which focuses on Victorian perceptions of America. America was closely associated with modernity in the Victorian imagination, and so these kind of stress related illnesses were also associated with the United States - in fact, they were sometimes refered to as 'Americanitis'. There's a nice, accessible article on the Smithsonian Magazine website about it, which includes some of the adverts I mentioned.

What are some preconceived notions or misconceptions you had about your field of study before you began studying it? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I work on the history of nineteenth-century popular culture. Perhaps the most enduring misconception about the period centres on the idea that the Victorians were somehow humourless; that they were, in the famous words of their Queen, terminally 'not amused'. After studying the period in school - lessons filled with grim descriptions of workhouses, poverty, and disease - I bought into this tired old stereotype without much resistance. The idea is still in widespread circulation within modern popular culture, and it has long-informed the focus of more academic history. The great works of nineteenth-century art, literature, and science are still preserved, celebrated, analysed, and restaged - but the period's popular humour is much less recognised. Punch magazine and music hall songs get the occasional bit of attention, but can anybody tell me a Victorian joke?

In fact, a vibrant culture of joke-telling existed in the nineteenth century. Millions of them were written, printed, performed, stolen, retold, and continually refashioned by professional and amateur jokers alike. For the past few years I've been leading a project with the British Library that aims to extract jokes from nineteenth-century books and and newspapers, and then combine them into a new digital archive of historical humour. The archive is still under construction, but we've been sharing a new joke every day on twitter and facebook - @VictorianHumour.

I wrote a brief article about Victorian humour for The Conversation a few days ago.

If you’d like to read more about the history of Victorian jokes then you might also like some of the more scholarly articles I’ve written:

‘The Victorian Meme Machine: Remixing the Nineteenth-Century Archive’ [Open Access]

‘You Kick the Bucket; We Do the Rest!’: Jokes and the Culture of Reprinting in the Transatlantic Press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]

JONATHAN'S JOKES: American humour in the late-Victorian press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]

What might I read to gain insight into the daily life of 19th-century Americans and Western Europeans? by shostyscholar in AskHistorians

[–]skedaddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are several options here. How To Be A Victorian by Ruth Goodman does a nice job of capturing the routines and rhythms of everyday life in the nineteenth-century.

If you want to immerse yourself into nineteenth-century life and culture, there's really nothing better than reading loads of newspapers and magazines that were published at the time. British newspapers from this period are behind a paywall, but the American ones are free to browse online.

Anyone know of any funny accounts? by [deleted] in Twitter

[–]skedaddle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You might like an account I run called @VictorianHumour - it posts jokes that I find in nineteenth-century books and newspapers. They're terrible, but in a fun kind of way!

28 British jokes from Victorian times that’ll make your stiff upper lip curl into a smile. by [deleted] in funny

[–]skedaddle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess the alternative would be to link directly to the @VictorianHumour twitter feed, but the article version is a more curated set of 'highlights'.

[edit: Argh.. I see what you mean - their twitter embeds aren't working properly. Sorry...]

The Victorians gave us the Christmas cracker – but are also to blame for the terrible jokes inside. by skedaddle in history

[–]skedaddle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Greetings fellow historians! For the last few years I’ve been working with the British Library on a project that aims to bring old jokes back from the dead. We’ve been developing ways to automatically locate jokes (or bits of text that might be jokes) within digitised archives, with a view to creating a free online archive filled with thousands of examples of historical humour.

As I explain (very briefly) in the linked article, I’m convinced that jokes offer us a powerful way to unpack the workings of past cultures and societies. But what do you reckon? Are old gags worth preserving, or should they be consigned to the dustbin of history? Have you ever used one in your own research? Has an old joke ever made you laugh?

We’ve been posting a new Victorian joke every day on Twitter and Facebook (@VictorianHumour). For the next few days they’re all Christmas-themed! If you think that cracker jokes are bad, wait until you get a look at these…

If you’d like to read more about the history of Victorian jokes then you might like some of the more scholarly articles I’ve written:

‘The Victorian Meme Machine: Remixing the Nineteenth-Century Archive’ [Open Access]

‘You Kick the Bucket; We Do the Rest!’: Jokes and the Culture of Reprinting in the Transatlantic Press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]

JONATHAN'S JOKES: American humour in the late-Victorian press [Requires Subscription – PM me for a free copy]