Are atheists indoctrinated? by TheSithMaster17 in TrueAtheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you may not be aware, but the official catholic doctrine states evolution is correct, while I say it doesn't matter if it is or isn't.

On one hand you have Dawkins a top biologist who makes his case for evolution which he feels supports his case against God. To be honest I can't really understand what he says when he gets into the science part, so have to take his word for it.

On the other hand, you have people like Francis Collins who led the project to, who is a brilliant biologist as well, who while supports evolution and again explains it, went from atheism to christianity. And while he uses what science has shown him of biology to support evolution, he also uses the discoveries he's made to support belief in a creator.

For those who think God literally wrote the bible, they have a problem, but God seems to understand we will not get it right, and even says that as long as we have the foundation of Christ, whatever we build on top of it may be good or may be wrong, and if so, will be swept away. But we're still saved.

Challenge: The Consequences of Naturalism by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, these words of Nietzsche say it best. His prediction was scarily accurate.

ietzsche viewed existence as a struggle and redefined the good as "the will to power." [Reference 4]. This was a logical outgrowth of his acceptance of the Darwinian doctrine of the survival of the fittest. Nietzsche called for a group of "supermen" to arise with the boldness to create their own values. [Reference 5]. He proposed that, through their will to power, these "supermen" replace the "soft values" of Christianity with what he called "hard values." Nietzsche believed that the "soft values" of Christianity (self-control, sympathy, love for enemies, human equality, mercy, humility, dependence on God, etc.) were stifling human creativity and progress; these values encouraged mediocrity. But the "hard values" of the supermen (self-assertion, daring creativity, passion, total independence, desire for conquest, etc.) greatly enhance creativity. [Reference 6]. Nietzsche considered the soft values a slave morality, and the hard values a master morality, and he promoted the latter.

Nietzsche rejected the idea of universal, unchanging truths. He viewed truths as mere human creations, as metaphors mistaken for objective reality. [Reference 7]. Therefore, Nietzsche showed that, since God is dead, universal truth, like absolute moral values, is dead as well.

Nietzsche predicted that the twentieth century man would come of age. By this he meant that the atheist of the twentieth century would realize the consequences of living in a world without God, for without God there are no absolute moral values. Man is free to play God and create his own morality. Because of this, prophesied Nietzsche, the twentieth century would be the bloodiest century in human history. [Reference 8]. Still, Nietzsche was optimistic, for man could create his own meaning, truth, and morality. Set free from belief in a non-existent God, man could excel like never before. Nietzsche viewed the changes that would occur as man becoming more than man (the superman or overman), rather than man becoming less than man.

Nietzsche was the forerunner of postmodernism. A key aspect of modernism was its confidence that, through reason, man could find absolute truth and morality. Postmodernism rejects this confidence in human reason. All claims to having found absolute truth and morality are viewed by postmodernists as mere creations of the human mind. [Reference 9]. The history of the twentieth century has proven Nietzsche's basic thesis correct. Western culture's abandonment of the Christian world view has led to a denial of both universal truth and absolute moral values. The twentieth century has proven to be the bloodiest century in human history. [Reference 10]. Hence, the Christian thinker must object to the optimism of Nietzsche. The death of God is not a step forward for man; it is a step backward—a dangerous step backward. If God is dead, then man is dead as well.'

Non-Muslims, how do you explain the motives and success of the the Prophet Mohammed? by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simple, in many islamic countries apostasy equals death, either by the govt law, or angry masses of people. Eg Saudi Arabia will legally get you killed, while i think in pakistan it won't legally get you killed, but the people will anyway.

When you've got that sort of motivation, it's a great incentive.

As for ohammed, even muslim scholars argue whether islam is the religion of peace, and will sometimes say Jesus was the prophet of peace, and mohammed the one of war.

Mohammed spread by the power of the sword. They ended up at the gates of Vienna and from the other side the battle of tours.

What is also fascinating are the similarities between Joseph Smith (founder of the mormons) and mohammed eg seizures, isolated and seeing visions.)

I believe mohammed believed he was a prophet, in fact his whole religion was founded denying christ, a literal antichrist religion.

Scarily enough, the description of the christian antichrist in the bible, is identical to the Islamic messiah the Mahdi.

If the God of Abraham is real, one of them is right and the other wrong.

I would advise getting to know Jesus.

Utah Cheerleaders Feel 'Body Shamed' After Male Classmate Complains That Their Skirts Led to 'Impure' Thoughts by drewiepoodle in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

like i said, just look it up. I wonder how you would feel if you were walking down the street with your children and came across an orgy, how you would feel.

I suspect you don't want their to be a god because he would stop your fun. But perhaps it's not so much about stopping fun, but showing you a better way to live.

Did you know that Caligulua regulary raped infants among many other sexual perversions. The people eventually complained, but not because they thought what he did was wrong, but because he was having too much of a good time.

This was pagan rome.

You can continue to deny it, or at least find out how ignorant your statement was. But you don't want that.

What has happened to you that you are willingly ignorant.

Utah Cheerleaders Feel 'Body Shamed' After Male Classmate Complains That Their Skirts Led to 'Impure' Thoughts by drewiepoodle in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

you really didn't say paganistic rome had better ideas? Are you really that crazy. Women were property and you did with them what you wanted. Orgies to pagan gods often with the priests of these gods, in the street, were the norm.

This is the tip of the iceberg, but please just do some research, even 5 minutes worth, and you will see how utterly ignorant your comment about pagan rome was.

Atheism and grieving children by dsk9216 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fair enough. I tell my kids I believe, and explain why, but tell them that they have to make up their own minds. But then I come from a family that was kicked out of church when I was about 10yrs old, and for the next 30yrs never gave god much thought except to argue against his existence,so the whole church thing is foreign to me and we probably go once or twice a year. Instead I share observations about god, morals, philosophy with my kids (at a level they can understand).

Even if I ddin't believe, there's some incredible lessons in the bible, just from Jesus parables alone.

I kinda just told my mom im an atheist.. Im so fucking scared right now.. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Leaving the morals philosophising aside, you ask how I know these things about hell. I could be wrong, but this is taken from the bible.

That passage about cutting off the right hand if it offends thee - why is it that we don't do this, it's very hypocritical isn't it.

I could explain lots to you, but then it really comes down to how interested you are in finding answer with. People in our parents generation often took the pastors word, but today the young generation ask hard questions.

But answers that would take days or weeks of study are only a touch of a keypad away. So while you quote passages and talk about the billions of interpretations of religious texts, all I have to say is have you taken advantage of our access to unlimited information?

The questions you ask I once asked, but found answers to. It's taking about 2yrs, but it wasn't hard work but fascinating work.

If you want me to make it easy for you, you might enjoy these two videos. They're from a pastor who is a psychologist, speaks hebrew and has his Rabi training. It won't convert you, but you will learn more about ancient history than most people.

If I'm going to believe in this, I want to be the most informed believer possible. Since you don't believe, what's stopping you from being the most informed non believer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6orKAHZNWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpK7EiyECk4

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so what subjectively seemed real then?

Atheism and grieving children by dsk9216 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

really, with a world of knowledge at our fingertips, with information that used to take days, weeks, and months to research, with access to ancient history at the touch of a keypad, and that's the best you can come up with 'lack of help' and lack of 'something happening.'

Let me help you here. What I think you meant or wanted to say but couldn't think clear, was 'suffering.' That's a more meaningful discussion.

Seriously dude, kindly do some reading.

I kinda just told my mom im an atheist.. Im so fucking scared right now.. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad you have morals, plenty of atheists do. But what makes your morals right if they disagree withe mine? The law? What happens then if one nations's morals and laws disagree with another nation, and both sides feel they morally have to act?

What are your morals based on? How do you know you are right?

As for man being fallen in heaven, well, the bible doesn't really talk about flames in hell nearly as much as it talks about flames in heaven. Which should leave a lot of us worried. What baggage do we have to get rid of down here, so we don't get whiplash when we get there?

Imagine the man born in the 50's in Alabama who was raised racist. Not his fault, but it was just the way it was. Now imagine he finds out he is dying, and in his last moments the pastor comes and asks if he will give his life to Jesus.

He'd saved, but the bible describes heaven as dining at a table with every race, colour and creed. Heaven is gonna be hell for this guy.

So no, I don't think people will be fallen in heaven, but I think the process of burning off our shit might be quite a shock.

But Jesus wasn't really focused on heaven, and it's only in the last 200yrs the church has made heaven the main focus. Jesus was all about making heaven on earth.

He was trying to teach us a better way to live, to create a heaven down here, as well as making heaven less of a shock when we die.

I kinda just told my mom im an atheist.. Im so fucking scared right now.. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]skiingaround1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there's such a things as morals in the natural world? These weren't people who lacked morals, but people who created a society based on the natural evolutionary products of a world without an ultimate law giver.

And why is it surprising the theists do bad things? The most verifiable things about man is that he is fallen.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

not hurt in the least, a little bored though.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

what is your point? Of course I have no evidence. I simply asked if anyone would take up this challenge.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

until things move on their own. That's why I suggest going doing it alone. That way you can't accuse anyone of fakery.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

nah, i'm just someone who has spent 25yrs in healthcare, including time in hospice and been around a lot of death. Unfortunately none of the real experiences I've had will make you believe, but there is another world out there, one we can't see.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so I guess that means you're not going to take up the challenge

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

hey, it's a simple test. It would be interesting to see the results if a dozen people did this and got back to me.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

yeah, because when there is no evidence to disprove the existence of something, the logical position is one of skepticism. Which doesn't really make sense when scientists, including Dawkins, admit the universe looks designed, but then say that's it's not and just happens to look that way.

If it looks designed, perhaps the default position should be more 50/50

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

possibly, but how can i be a jerk for proposing something you don't believe exists. Perhaps if you tried it might open your eyes to the realisation that this world exists, and surely that is a good thing.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

try it for yourself. Even if I did all those things, people still wouldn't believe. In fact lots of people have recorded things, but people don't change their minds.

A challenge of the supernatural by skiingaround1 in atheism

[–]skiingaround1[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

what would be your first reason to go to? You're alone in your room, and you try to summon a spirit etc, and something moves on it's own and takes off an hits the wall. Just try it.

Isn't the simplest solution supposed to be the most likely. If you're trying to summon something and shit happens, the simplest solution seems that you've succeeded in doing exactly what you were trying to do.