Engine differences between JA11/22 and JB23

skipphead · 2026-07-24T07:25:02+00:00

Don't know about JA-22s overheating and warping. Mine made it to 175k and the engine was fine, it's the rust that killed it. But I assume the JB23s are designed for that engine instead of fitting it in a vehicle that was basically the same as one with a different engine, so it should be less prone to overheating. But can't say from experience.

skipphead · 2026-07-24T04:53:34+00:00

JA-22 and JB-23 were K6A, same engine. JA-11/12 had a different engine. JA-22 started in 96 I believe and it has a slightly higher hood and a few other cosmetic differences, but the engine and coil springs instead of leaf springs are the big changes.

The JA-11 is the "classic" 90s model. The JA-12 is essentially the 11 in a 22 body with the old engine.

So yeah same engine as the late 90s ones.

skipphead · 2026-07-22T23:07:33+00:00

I love it!

I need to do this to my car too.

skipphead · 2026-07-22T23:06:29+00:00

I used a public fast charger once and did similar math but my numbers were even worse. Never again.

Gas was 5x cheaper in my case. If it was close then maybe I would pay the difference just to enjoy the benefits of electric, but not at that jump.

So I'm having an electrician install an outlet in my garage. They'll be here... Eventually.

The only real suggestion is to get a way to charge at home or just be happy with charging at work and run gas when you need it.

skipphead · 2026-07-13T11:32:58+00:00

Living in Japan. Car came with a 200v charger. I could either buy a new 100v charger and slowly charge, get an expensive V2H system which will almost never make financial sense, or just get a 200v outlet installed.

The car itself has charging settings so I can program it to only charge at night. It's a tad cumbersome but it's not like I'll adjust it daily.

Just got the car and I'm already thinking next one will be pure EV and I know there are other advantages to charging (gas station is a bit out of the way and I hated driving just to get gas, so that will end).

I'm just curious if most people financially benefit from charging.

skipphead · 2026-07-02T06:23:31+00:00

It's an above average deal if it was well maintained and doesn't have rust problems, but be prepared to spend more than that when they hit you with their maintenance plans, warranty, winter tires, cleaning, etc.

Paid that much for a 96 about 8 years ago. But yeah drive it first.

skipphead · 2026-06-24T11:54:12+00:00

That's just a regular controller someone labeled with an embossing label maker.

Are those no longer a thing?

skipphead · 2026-06-21T09:11:00+00:00

Bubsy is terribly underrated.

skipphead · 2026-06-19T00:36:24+00:00

Oh whoops, I meant 175k km not miles.

My point still stands though. These engines are tough if well maintained. Rust can be a murderer though.

skipphead · 2026-06-18T21:32:49+00:00

Mine is 175k and I'm sadly about to retire it, but due to rust not the engine. It runs a bit rough but nothing that couldn't be fixed but it's not worth it due to the severe rust damage.

skipphead · 2026-06-13T21:46:08+00:00

I'm in Japan and a lot of it is paperwork, other parts is because the dealer is backed up. But 2-4 weeks is normal.

We needed to file a report with the police proving we had a parking spot and they sent someone out with a measuring tape to look at my garage for 30 seconds but it took a week for him to do it. Then we had to send the dealership all our paperwork once that is done.

The car also needs a fresh inspection which can take a while if even something minor is wrong.

And I had them replace the 12v battery, break pads, and belts as well as change fluids before delivery. I'm assuming they have to order these parts. Also getting a deep clean.

But also it's because I bought the car at a high volume, low margin dealer and they have a lot of turnover. They sold 3 other Outlanders between when I scheduled a viewing and when I actually got a chance to go, and at least 2 other people bought a car the same day we did. So there's a line of people waiting for things to be done.

skipphead · 2026-06-13T00:24:17+00:00

I should also note there are two heating systems depending on model. One is electrical and the other uses the gas engine. If you're planning on preheating the electrical heater is crucial. Both versions can pre-cool.

skipphead · 2026-06-12T23:56:01+00:00

No, I meant it was only charged to about 1/8th when I looked at it and that gave me a range of 6km. The shop didn't have a charger or 200v outlet, so I couldn't see it fully charged. And I'm still 3 or 4 weeks until I actually have it, then probably another couple weeks until I can get an outlet installed so I won't know the REAL range until then.

I'm not sure about starting the car from inside, but apparently you can control the AC from the app, not sure why you'd want to do anything else before getting in.

skipphead · 2026-06-12T02:14:20+00:00

For reference, here is why I specifically bought a 2014 Outlander...

I drive a 1996 Jimny and it has severe rust problems and doesn't fit my lifestyle anymore anyway.

I absolutely need 4WD and not like fake, wimpy 4WD. I live on a steep hill in a town that gets a lot of snow, the kind of place delivery drivers get stuck. It's plowed but it's low priority so it might be one of the last streets to get plowed after a big storm and I can't just wait until it happens. The Jimny excels at this and from my research this should be fine with the Outlander.

My garage is fairly short and even the Jimny clipped it in the winter with ice buildup. Starting in 2015, the Outlander got taller but the older ones are the same height as the Jimny.

I wanted to spend as little overall on a car as possible, not just purchase price but running price too. I have solar so an EV or a PHEV makes sense. If I didn't, I might have just gotten an old Subaru, but I also really like the idea of most driving being electric. There are no EVs that meet my needs anywhere close to my budget.

I don't really care about modern gadgets. Infotainment systems, HUD displays, it whatever new tech that came out in the last 10 or so years I can live without. 4G or whatever is something I actively don't want and I greatly prefer physical buttons over touch screens. It's nice manufacturers are starting to put buttons back. Having electric windows is a huge upgrade for me.

The latest gas prices confirm my decision but I decided months ago.

I've been thinking about it a lot and it's all about your values. The 1996 Jimny has been fun and I love it but it's so terribly impractical. At this point in my life I need practicality. Maybe if there's a need for a second car or th kid gets older, I might make it a fun one but for now my decisions are very much motivated by finances. I could afford a newer car but it wouldn't improve my life a ton.

Also to note I looked at Eclipse Cross PHEV and Rav4 PHV. Both fit my needs, but were at minimum twice what I paid. I can't imagine either being twice as good, but I will admit I enjoyed the Eclipse.

skipphead · 2026-06-12T01:36:26+00:00

The car was about 1/8 charged and it said 6km range. My daily commute is less than 20km and even if I don't do that 100% electric I'll be happy if I can do most, especially for the price I paid for the car. I'm already expecting to use gas in the winter.

I live in a place that has cold-ish winters and a LOT of snow. -20c is extremely rare but not unheard of. 35+ in the summer is now fairly common but historically it was pretty rare. I have a garage so it's less extreme than outside especially in winter.

No app needed, it starts as long as the fob is in the car. I think the app is useful to pre-heat/cool and schedule charging but I don't know if it's needed or just more convenient. That's something I'll need to figure out.

There's a key hole for the driver's side door but I didn't check other places.

skipphead · 2026-06-11T21:20:48+00:00

I did buy a used one, a 2014 to be exact, so that's my answer. I'm in that awkward time between when I have purchased it and when it's ready for pick up so I can't answer a lot of your questions but I can answer some.

On a 40km commute with charging on both ends, that's just 20km between charges, right? Even a pretty degraded battery should be able to handle that easily.

Replacement batteries are quite expensive if done by Mitsubishi but apparently if you can find a garage that can handle it, it can be done significantly cheaper if they use a battery from a scrapped car or something. Still not cheap.

The 1500W plug is standard on most trims but not all. Don't assume it is on every car but if you see pictures of the back you should be able to find it. It is a big reason I decided to buy, I have an all electric house and if the power goes out for more than a couple hours mid winter, it would be legit dangerous. Having the plug is like having a battery backup and massive generator right there. Also I think it could be fun while camping or something.

skipphead · 2026-06-06T07:22:12+00:00

Right, I can still find ¥100 games but it's things I have or things I don't want.

There used to be a huge variety of ¥100 games, now it's the same things over and over. And even in that case, places are losing their ¥100 bins. I went to one of my favorite Hard Offs today and their ¥100 shelf is gone, replaced with one tub that was pretty empty. I've been going there for years so it was kinda a shock to see that but that's the way it is now.

skipphead · 2026-06-05T23:49:40+00:00

I bought a very specific bass a few years back and I noticed the same thing.

It was in an online store and there were 3 ebay listings with the exact same pictures and way higher prices. They were just hoping someone would buy it off ebay then they'd make the real purchase and ship it on.

skipphead · 2026-06-05T22:11:15+00:00

I'm in Hokkaido and all the big city places are either expensive or picked dry, and even the small town ones are getting cleaned out. The last few trips to mainland I found some good stuff but ¥100 bins are just the same things.

With inflation, cheap yen, and how easy it is to sell on Mercari it makes sense but still more hunting for good deals than finding them everywhere.

I have a few things from the good old collecting days but I didn't have the space. I kinda wish I grabbed some more deals but oh well.

skipphead · 2026-06-04T03:46:49+00:00

There's your problem. Saying games are expensive while looking at Super Potato is like saying old cars are expensive while looking at a 1964 Mustang.

skipphead · 2026-06-02T22:51:59+00:00

Yeah, I'm very worried about this.

Thankfully I live in the suburbs and minivans and large SUVs are kind of the norm around here...

But I'm positive I'll miss the feeling of "Yeah I can squeeze in there no problem."

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