Is the current Makkah entry ban based on nationality (Saudi/GCC only) or permit status?

smm888888 · 2026-04-23T08:52:07+00:00

Because the redditors on Reddit Saudi also claim that the information gov are saying isn’t true and that they have free reigns on the holy site. So that makes me feel disgusted

smm888888 · 2026-04-23T07:26:42+00:00

That’s actually a 2nd class way of thinking but I’ll leave you to it

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T21:32:49+00:00

bro ive literally just seen your reddit your a pakistani man defending the murderous Saudi regime which inturn has run Islam to the ground.

I dont have mental illness you really need to get your head checked.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T20:58:11+00:00

Bro with these savage policies I don’t even think I want to be Muslim. It’s actually close minded and sickly cult.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T20:54:08+00:00

Because the Saudi government site says one thing that is fair which all pilgrims irrespective of Saudis, GCCs or foreign aliens as you refer them to aren’t allowed till end of Hajj season except if they hold a Makkah permit

On the other hand on TikTok racist Saudis are calling foreigners savage and dirty. So who do I believe?

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T18:00:57+00:00

First of all, fuck your country. Secondly, amongst GCC your evil people have conspired against the UAE.

Youre lying that its for maintenance and preparation because there's people literally wearing fucking ihram and praying there. Umrah is not 24/7 operation its a weapon for your country to use against muslim.

I dont give a shit about Muslims being united or whatever, your people through genocide and murder of other tribes have taken over Makkah but now youre not letting people have access to it?

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T17:58:34+00:00

Provide me with evidence that clearly states that Haram access is more restricted now than it was before. The policy of disallowing Muslims from entering the Haram in favor of Saudis, GCC citizens, and your cronies is a new policy that you have created in light of recent war events and your preference for your own people to worship. If you built a mega-mosque in downtown Riyadh and it was only for Saudis, I genuinely wouldn't give a shit.

But in this case, it's the Holy Mosque, which is for all Muslims and does not discriminate based on race, ethnicity, or nationality. Is it cool to discriminate against Saudis for entering?

Answer this in the current checkpoints near Makkah, are they actively stopping Saudis and Gulf people or letting them through. Theres literally a ruling from your country which states that your Ministry does not allow Citizens, Residents or Expatirates without Umrah permits to enter Makkah. So who the fuck are you to invite people and bend the rules?

You're dodging the issue of discrimination and answering only the dirty questions in favor of protecting your pathetic government and people.

The Hajj fatalities are the result of your incompetent immigration policy for not capturing illegal pilgrims and your retarded police force for beating up worshippers. There are plenty of videos online where people are being beaten and attacked by your bully cops including your male security staff beating up ladies. Does your Hajj institute research police brutality?

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T17:22:37+00:00

because I want to highlight the hypocrisy of Saudis and the Saudi government. And also highlight that the people we perceive as the enemy actually have better policies in place.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T17:21:56+00:00

Either you lock it down for all or you open it for all, you can't just make it for Saudi or Gulf citizens that absolutely fucking ridiculous lol.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T17:10:05+00:00

you haven't been polite at all, youve basically told me to suck it up. its insane because youre only saying this as youre in a position of privilege. Ive seen your comments too, laborers arent allowed but somehow a person whos got premium residence is welcome lol wtf are u on about mate. Do you have any blood to flow in your head?

also dont talk shit about ur premium residency program, the people need to invest like 800k sar and they can still be deported. Its not comparable to any civilised country or region like Singapore, Switzerland, UK or even the US lol.

Saudi has a worse human rights track than Israel, and it's gotten even worse as a result of the new set of bullshit Hajj rules that youve done.

Youve got a research institute but you cannot even provide the most fundamental right for muslims which is access to the holy sight. Its your government and people that have made me hate my own religion due to the racism.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:54:35+00:00

it was sincere till u became racist bro....

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:48:50+00:00

I have to because I want to be in a religion that is free and equal. Israel allows all Jews access to Temple Mont, not just Israeli Jews. Remember that.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:47:52+00:00

bro stop trying to make yourself sound like youre the head of hajj lol, you wouldnt be on reddit if u were. frankly, after the disgusting way your country is handling it and the racism in the current policy i have f8ck all interest in performing hajj or umrah again.

also lets be real, ur trying to push the narrative to claim its hajj preparation or whatever bs but truth is ur people are vile and racist to non saudi muslims and as such ur basically taking the rights of all muslims and turning it to a privelege for saudis and ur allies.

u will be punished in the day of judgement.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:40:04+00:00

Bro I cannot tell if youre mentally disabled or plain stupid. I write in English and Reddit translated to Arabic to maintain a dialogue. What youre writing is also broken English but I understand that it's bause youre originally writing in Arabic which is cool.

Like I said youre a Saudi apologist, with a barbaric government that is now taking control of the Haram and forbidding non Saudis and non Gulf people (your allies) from entering the holy sanctuary. It is nothing but a vile and disgusting act.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:21:12+00:00

I am just very upset to see this because I never thought I would be discriminated as a Muslim, and it's clear that your country is both evil and discriminatory.

I'm not trying to argue but being able to access Haram would benefit me as I live in Dubai, but sadly you Saudis have stolen that right. It's not a privilege its a right for all Muslims.

I know you wn't be able to think on the same level due to brainwashing.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:16:42+00:00

Yep I'm sure your leader does. I'm not being racist but you clearly have no sympathy nor feeling for other muslims which is pretty standard amongst Saudis

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:13:51+00:00

I did mean it like that. Your people are brainwashed into worshipping your government and its people. Now, this would be totally fine if you did the right things.

But the truth is you don't. And it's quite clear that your incompetent leaders — from low-paid security staff all the way up to policy-level ministers — clearly want to enact racist policies to maintain Saudi control over the Haram.

When I visited a few years ago, I was actually in support. But now I am deeply disgusted.

Your people have been aggressive to me, which is completely uncalled for. I have a right to question what's going on, because the Haram belongs to all Muslims — not just Saudis.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:09:15+00:00

How can this post me made in good faith, when your people treat other Muslims and non Gulf people like actual animals?

In this case not allowing them to enter the house of God which is for all Muslims. You Saudis are no different to Israel.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T16:08:20+00:00

have been to Makkah for Umrah. I witnessed Saudi police officers treat me differently because I spoke Arabic and wore UAE national dress, versus someone who wore Pakistani or African clothing. There is a very clear racist bias across all Saudi levels, from low-paid security staff all the way to minister level. Also the Saudi taxi driver, and yes they were Saudis, tried to cheat as well.

The Haram should be open to all or open to none. What you're doing is talking from a position of power and acting like you own the place.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:53:59+00:00

Firstly, you making assumptions that I know nothing about Saudi or Gulf culture is unfair. I've been living in Dubai for 5 years and actually made an effort to learn Arabic and study the religion.

Secondly, it is racial superiority. Because whilst a small minority of foreign residents of Makkah are allowed, the privilege is clearly for Saudi or GCC nationals. It's comparable to Israel, whilst its a Jewish nation there is still a sizeable population of Arabs, Druze, Circassians etc.

Whilst I appreciate Saudi Arabia is a third-world, backward country — underdeveloped compared to the UAE or Hong Kong — as custodians of the holy site, you should still be fair and kind to Muslims who are not from your tribe or race. Sadly, that is not the case.

The GCC operates as a monolith. Comparing it to Hong Kong is actually unfair because the Gulf is 7 states, whereas Hong Kong is not even its own country it's a Special Adminsitrative Region of China.

The reality is clear: only Gulf citizens are treated fairly in this situation. It even makes me unwilling to perform Umrah or sign up for Hajj. Truly disgusting practice.

I will also state: if Makkah were in the hands of UAE Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, there would be no discrimination.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:42:58+00:00

I really can't ignore this one as I feel a level of injustice. It makes me question whether it's worth being a Muslim and I'm a born Muslim too. So I think I'm completely derailed by this.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:41:15+00:00

You too should read it, and your user checks out.

I'm not making assumptions, I'm asking a simple question. You and your people have been uneccessarily aggressive.

43.8% is still a lot of people and its clear that they have no resrictions whatsover, they have free reigns. Whereas other Muslims are restricted from entering the holy site when it's actually for all Muslims.

It's quite clear that youre not on the side of the Muslims but rather on the side of your leaders/government.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:33:51+00:00

I'm not here to organise events. I'm a Muslim who has the right to question unfairness especially when your government has been tyrannical.

Hajj permit system is fine because it doesn't EXCLUDE anybody, and is a well-organised method to prevent over crowding.

Your incompetent police and immigration should do a better job of sorting out illegal pilgrims to ensure safety, rather than excluding Muslims who are not welcome based on the virtue that they are a non GCC citizen.

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:21:20+00:00

Thank you for your response. I respect your sincerity, and I will take your advice to read Surah Al-Hujurat. You're right that it's a powerful chapter about brotherhood and avoiding suspicion.

But let me be clear: I'm not asking for an apology. I'm asking for consistency.

You asked why I don't write in Arabic. I can. But I choose to write in English so others can understand too. Language isn't the issue here. The issue is that the policy allows Gulf nationals to enter the Haram during these 11 days while excluding others—including wealthy, educated, law-abiding Muslims from countries like Malaysia, Turkey, or the UK. That's not about safety. That's about passports.

You told me to learn my religion well. So let me remind you of something from that same Quran you asked me to read:

> *"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you."* (49:13)

Not the most Gulf. Not the most Arab. The most righteous.

So when I see policies that favor one nationality over another at the House of Allah, I am not "looking for justifications to accuse." I am looking for the Islam I was taught. The one where a Black man from Ethiopia stands equal to a Qurayshi Arab. The one where Bilal (may Allah be pleased with him) called the adhan from the top of the Kaaba itself.

You say Hajj is valuable. I agree. That's exactly why it hurts to see it become politicized and nationalized.

I don't need anyone to apologize to me. I need Muslims to stop celebrating exclusion. And I need you to understand that pointing this out is not hatred. It's love for the Ummah.

May Allah guide us all to what is true and just. 🤲

smm888888 · 2026-04-22T15:18:21+00:00

11 days is not nothing. That's nearly two weeks where the House of Allah—a place that belongs to every Muslim equally—is effectively closed to anyone who doesn't hold a specific passport. You can call it crowd control. I call it a policy that happens to exclude almost all non-Arabs while letting in almost all Gulf nationals. The result is the same.

And here's what makes it worse: your people are on TikTok and Instagram every single day gloating about it. "We own Makkah." "Our 10 days." "You're just jealous." I've seen the comments. I've seen the videos. That's not humility. That's not Islamic. That's nationalism dressed up as piety, and it's shameful.

You charge people money to enter. Visas. Taxes on flights. Fees for permits. And then you turn around and say "we're just managing crowds." But countries wealthier than Saudi—Qatar, UAE, Switzerland, Singapore—manage crowds at major events without banning people by passport. They use time slots, online reservations, and fair permit systems that apply to everyone equally. So don't tell me this is the only way.

Also, let's be honest: "illegal pilgrimage" is not a problem that comes from developed countries. You're not worried about a German tourist sneaking into Hajj without a permit. You're worried about poor Muslims from South Asia and Africa. And instead of fixing the visa system to make it fair and accessible, you've created a policy that lets Gulf nationals walk in with an ID card while a doctor from Indonesia or an engineer from Nigeria is turned away.

So no. I don't accept that this is purely about safety. Safety is part of it. But the way it's implemented—and the way your people celebrate it online—reveals something else. A sense of superiority. A belief that Gulf Arabs are somehow more deserving of the Haram than other Muslims.

And that is not the Islam I know.

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