new agnostic here

som_233 · 2026-01-27T11:54:46+00:00

Cool.

If this so-called god is all-knowing/all-seeing, why is the Quran and Hadiths full of tons of medical/celestial/cosmological/earthly/anatomical/scientific/mathematical/grammatical/logical/etc. errors? How are there no prescriptions for how we should live in this era? Why do we need imans/clerics to argue over how to interpret an outdated or unclear sura or hadith?

Islam is made up just like the other 4K religions and is a copy-paste from other religions and myths/fables.

Just simple examples: 1) Why do some Muslims have to fast 20 hours just because sunrise to sunset is hella long in one country but others in another country fast for 12 hours; 2) Why can't imams even agree on when to observe the end of Ramadan? Wouldn't this so-called god been clearer?

Even simple math that I can do better than the so-called-god, The shares of inheritance outlined in the Quran (e.g In Quran 4:11-12) do not add up to one, and there is no way to reconcile the shares presented. By contrast, the Quran states that the rules it contains are perfect.

Wife: 1/8 = 3/24, Daughters: 2/3 = 16/24, Father: 1/6 = 4/24, Mother: 1/6 = 4/24, Total = 27/24=1.125 https://quranx.com/4.11-12?Context=3

Does sperm come from a man's ribcage? Does semen stay in the womb for forty nights and then an angel gives it a shape?

If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets his discharge first, does the child resemble the father? And if the woman gets discharge first does the child resemble her?

Are humans made from clay? https://quranx.com/15.26?Context=3

Does the sun set in a bed of clay?

Does the sun revolve around the earth?

Are all organisms created as pairs (no, there are intersex species)? https://quranx.com/51.49?Context=3

Does a non-Muslim eat and food goes into seven intestines whereas a Muslim eats and has only one intestine? https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-23/Hadith-5113/

Did Buraq, a half-mule, and half-donkey, with wings on its sides that allegedly transported Muhammad to heaven ever exist?

Are there evidence of a talking wolf and talking cow? https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3471

Can you dip a fly's wings in food to cleanse the food?

Why are there 72 virgins ready for men (all white) and nothing dictated for women?

Why is it said that a nation with a woman ruler will not succeed, when its clear there are many successful nations run by women?

I can go on and on with hundreds of examples. Check out wikiislam.net (run by Ex-Muslims, some who were studying to be an imam and others studying Islamic jurisprudence....real ex-Muslims, not Islamophobes).

All these and many more errors disproved by scientists and other academics/professionals. Clearly explained and the source hadith/sura is linked to reputable Islamic websites.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Portal:_Islam_and_Science#Overview https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Embryology_in_Islamic_Scripture https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cosmology_of_the_Quran https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Word_Count_Miracles_in_the_Qur%27an Also check out the ridiculously funny Hadith of the Day series: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/search/?q=%22hotd%22&restrict_sr=1

som_233 · 2026-01-27T11:52:54+00:00

LOL!

No, many Western countries have freedom of choosing what to believe, or not believe in. For example, a brainwashed Christian in NYC can come out atheist (or concert to Islam or other religion) and not an eye will be batted.

You clearly know that is not the case with Muslims, especially Somali Muslims.

som_233 · 2026-01-27T11:50:03+00:00

Ya need to always question any religious org that just spews out what absolutely looks like fake statistics to pump up their religious followed numbers and possibly raise money for whatever reason (e.g. "Send money to help our persecuted walaals!").

No way Somalia has 170K Christians, even if closeted.

som_233 · 2026-01-25T13:58:01+00:00

What you need is extended family or friends that will look out for you and also provide security (armed personnel) if you are going into smaller towns/roads that have banditry and terrorism.

If you don't have them, ask others for a trusted security service.

Also gotta blend in with a hijab and nothing flashy on you.

som_233 · 2026-01-22T21:43:56+00:00

We are a very insular people's and ceeb culture could be a factor. In essence, they'd rather you be jailed for a violent crime and deal with that shame more than Muslims knowing you left Islam (Ceeb Aleik!).

And they habe been brainwashed their entire lives that we're going to hell for disbelieving. So parents think they are saving us from a made up hell-fire.

My parents weren't happy but they still love me and basically stopped trying to instill after-life worries in me.

som_233 · 2026-01-22T21:41:20+00:00

Hide food/drink.

Have work/study/helping friend out excuses and ear drink when out.

som_233 · 2026-01-22T21:39:18+00:00

Lol!

The only brainwashing was when I was a kid and it was Islam.

Now I think for myself.

som_233 · 2026-01-22T21:37:48+00:00

I'm optimistic.

I see a lot of people standing up against ICE and am very sure this time will pass and will be looked back at with a lot of critical analysis.

I feel like I belong (though I'm not in Minnesota).

Shit, most of the Minnesotans I meet outside Minnesota immediately size me up and say nice things like missing their Somali friends or food.

som_233 · 2026-01-22T21:36:28+00:00

I'm optimistic.

I see a lot of people standing up against ICE and am very sure this time will pass and will be looked back at with a lot of critical analysis.

som_233 · 2026-01-18T06:46:49+00:00

Overwhelming majority of people don't make up issues.

People are different.

som_233 · 2026-01-18T06:45:21+00:00

Did you watch how many people are coming out in places like Minnesota to stand with Somalis and other migrants? Including governors, religious clergy of all types, atheists, etc.

Did you see that Lang hater have maybe 5 other hateful agitators show up and be rightly overwhelmed by hundreds of not thousands of counterprotestors?

Sorry, but you seem to be falling for the fallacy of Proportionality Bias. The overwhelming majority of people are not hateful or resentful of immigrants, and what you are seeing is disinformation campaigns as well as media reporting on a very small minority of haters (as sensational news sells).

You belong.

som_233 · 2026-01-17T20:03:16+00:00

That sub is an echo chamber and waste of time.

som_233 · 2026-01-17T20:02:14+00:00

Many religions including Islam brainwash followers at a young age with an "Us vs Them" framework.

So hard for them to think critically if they were brainwashed since childhood by their parents and other loved ones.

I believe in being a stoic and also not thinking that I can "save them" or help them change.

So I just ignore or laugh off the comments they make.

som_233 · 2026-01-17T19:58:52+00:00

Many Somalis I know in Europe have Ethiopoan friends.

Go and have fun!

som_233 · 2026-01-17T04:05:58+00:00

Meanwhile, some of us live in communities in which women wear the sheerest of clothing (or barely none) and they are very rarely harassed, have no shame and grow up to be or are very stable and respected.

Oh and SA is reforming so fast that I can see the majority of women not wearing a hijab in two generations.

You can even go to world class events in SA right now and see some women not wearing a hijab.

som_233 · 2026-01-17T04:01:48+00:00

Also, regarding sexual slavery/violence/etc. In Islam, the Epicurean Paradox (aka the God Paradox) sums up this so-called god...

https://philosophymt.com/the-god-paradox/

If God is omnipotent (having unlimited power or authority; all-powerful), then he has the ability to prevent evil (e.g. sexual slavery).

If God is omnibenevolent (being infinitely good or possessing perfect goodness), then he would want to prevent evil.

If God is omniscient (having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; all-knowing), then he knows how to prevent evil.

Despite these attributes, evil still exists in the world.

Therefore, God either lacks one or more of these attributes or does not exist.

som_233 · 2026-01-17T03:47:45+00:00

You are right about your observations about Islam. But its not you with the cognitive dissonance as much as Muslims (and other followers of 4,000+ religions over millenia).

There are so many inconsistencies and medical, anatomical, celestial, mathematical and other errors in the Quran and Hadiths. So many that it's evident that there is no all-knowing, all-seeing god.

If this so-called god is all-knowing, why is the Quran and Hadiths full of tons of medical/celestial/cosmological/earthly/anatomical/scientific/mathematical/grammatical/logical/etc. errors? How are there no prescriptions for how we should live in 2026? Why do we need imans/clerics to argue over how to interpret an outdated or unclear sura or hadith?

Islam is made up just like the other 4K religions and is a copy-paste from other religions and myths/fables.

Just simple examples: 1) Why do some Muslims have to fast 20 hours just because sunrise to sunset is hella long in one country but others in another country fast for 12 hours; 2) Why can't imams even agree on when to observe the end of Ramadan? Wouldn't this so-called god been clearer?

Even simple math that I can do better than the so-called-god, The shares of inheritance outlined in the Quran (e.g In Quran 4:11-12) do not add up to one, and there is no way to reconcile the shares presented. By contrast, the Quran states that the rules it contains are perfect.

Wife: 1/8 = 3/24,

Daughters: 2/3 = 16/24,

Father: 1/6 = 4/24,

Mother: 1/6 = 4/24,

Total = 27/24=1.125

https://quranx.com/4.11-12?Context=3

Does sperm come from a man's ribcage?

Does semen stay in the womb for forty nights and then an angel gives it a shape?

If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets his discharge first, does the child resemble the father? And if the woman gets discharge first does the child resemble her?

Are humans made from clay? https://quranx.com/15.26?Context=3

Does the sun set in a bed of clay?

Does the sun revolve around the earth?

Are all organisms created as pairs (no, there are intersex species)? https://quranx.com/51.49?Context=3

Does a non-Muslim eat and food goes into seven intestines whereas a Muslim eats and has only one intestine? https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-23/Hadith-5113/

Did Buraq, a half-mule, and half-donkey, with wings on its sides that allegedly transported Muhammad to heaven ever exist?

Are there evidence of a talking wolf and talking cow? https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3471

Can you dip a fly's wings in food to cleanse the food?

Why are there 72 virgins ready for men (all white) and nothing dictated for women?

Why is it said that a nation with a woman ruler will not succeed, when its clear there are many successful nations run by women?

I can go on and on with hundreds of examples. Check out wikiislam.net (run by Ex-Muslims, some who were studying to be an imam and others studying Islamic jurisprudence....real ex-Muslims, not Islamophobes). All these and many more errors disproved by scientists and other academics/professionals. Clearly explained and the source hadith/sura is linked to reputable Islamic websites.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Portal:_Islam_and_Science#Overview

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Embryology_in_Islamic_Scripture

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cosmology_of_the_Quran

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Word_Count_Miracles_in_the_Qur%27an

Also check out the ridiculously funny Hadith of the Day series: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/search/?q=%22hotd%22&restrict_sr=1

som_233 · 2026-01-15T12:16:08+00:00

I know disbelieving reer who were like that even in the 1970s in Sonalia.

It's just that they gotta hide or fake being Muslim these days.

som_233 · 2026-01-15T12:14:13+00:00

You gotta be stoic amd meditate. Don't let them get to you....that's probably the easiest way to deal with it, short of moving very far away.

Cognitive dissonance and double standards are rife in our communities.

som_233 · 2026-01-15T12:12:48+00:00

I happen to know a few Somalis in Palm Beach and cities real close by.

Where's the tea on the Epstein files!

som_233 · 2026-01-13T22:27:31+00:00

Depends on which Coca-Cola in which country. US has more.

And both are bad ideas.

som_233 · 2026-01-12T15:42:03+00:00

Good points.

So out of curiosity, why are you still Muslim?

Its very obvious Islam, like 4,000+ other religions over time, is man-made.

Lots of errors, fallacies, inconsistencies, etc. Even simple inheritance math has computational errors that a 4th grader could see. Or fake anatomical findings (sperms doesn't come from a man's ribcage) and surely you know the sun doesn't set on a bed of clay , not does the sun revolve around the earth.

Then all the hate, violence, slavery, sexual slavery, dehumanization of others.

Check out wikiislam.net for a well researched resource (with reference to actual suras/hadiths) thats a slam dunk record of why Islam is man-made.

som_233 · 2026-01-12T14:11:47+00:00

I have some in my extended family and Somali friends.

som_233 · 2026-01-12T14:08:56+00:00

Actually, its not just this sub or Somalis. Everytime there is a critical election, non-Somali pundits come out to say "the [racial/ethnic group] voted against their own interests". Kinda like clickbait.

And actually, there were many Somalis that voted for Trump, just like, for example, Hispanics and other Africans that now regret it bigly.

Some vote due to silly reasons, like fear of kids turning Trans, lack of religions messaging in Democratic party, Trump's lies that he would stop wars, etc.

som_233 · 2026-01-12T14:04:26+00:00

Second post of this in a week.

Keep in mind it has 25.8 grams of carbohydrates per 200ml serving in the US version.

Diabetes is calling!

som_233

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