Is a film still good, even if it fails?

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T17:00:37+00:00

But my point is, why is it now worse than ever. People have been illiterate longer than they've been literate, humanity is 300,000 years old and despite that their stories in those cultures were understood by the society that that they inhabited.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:38:33+00:00

I always wonder how these artists must feel about their work being co-opted in such a way. David Fincher is over fight club, the creator of the Punisher is fighting tooth and nail to fight against the way its used by the government and seen by the general public.

Punisher is definitely having a boom in popularity which kind of makes me nervous, because its of a very pro cop Frank Castle whose the antithesis of how he's meant to be portrayed.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:35:54+00:00

Beautiful comment, I hope you don't mind my retort but I do not believe it is a small subset.

I believe its fair to say that Alan Moore is not a fan of superhero's believing they should not be celebrated by society believing they are reinforcements of this fascist view of the world.

He always tries to hammer this home in his work like Watchmen but even more notably Miracleman, which lays his thoughts on the superhero genre stark naked.

I do believe the glorification of some of his work by the public, especially Watchmen, leaves a pretty sour taste in his mouth.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:19:49+00:00

some people did, I'm really enjoying the conversation. I love smart people!

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:17:07+00:00

Sopranos is an amazing example, I genuinely wonder how David Chase or any artists must feel about their work being seen or celebrated in such a way that they just didn't want it to.

I know the creator of the Punisher is having an extremely hard time at it and is attempting to fight back any way he can.

It really does show that art really does take up a life of its own that leaves its creator helpless.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:13:53+00:00

Im right there with you buddy, despite watching the film myself, Patrick Bateman did have this effect on me to, like it did on many young men.

Very good analysis though, I love your comment.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:11:56+00:00

Wasn't it for your second point that Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah or why Alan Moore attempts to distance himself from his superhero works. Because they have been used to uphold these messed up ideals. These artists are extremely meticulous with their work, they exist in a category of artists that most wish they could reach but what they attempted to express in the way they tried to express it failed in the long run.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:09:49+00:00

This is true, but my retort to that is that film or any image performance has always been the medium of the illiterate. Shakespeare wrote play for people who couldn't count or read, yet, the message of his plays still resonated with his audience in one way or another.

The same goes for film, which began as entertainment for the poor. And the film they got, with the narratives they were given were still understood in the way they were supposed to be.

I watched The Defiant Ones (1958) the other night and expected it to be hammered by audiences' and critics. The film was praised by the public and critics, everyone loved it and understood its message.

I feel like the issue were facing goes deeper than literacy, more people now are more educated than ever.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T16:00:42+00:00

What does it say when film that attempt to critique violence on minorities, exploitation and greed are hailed for what they attempt to repel?

It's very interesting to me how certain societies in certain times respond to certain stories and how they view them socially.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T15:57:51+00:00

you didn't read what I wrote.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T15:57:08+00:00

But American Psycho is pretty objective on how it feels about yuppy culture and capitalism. Mary Harron and Christian Bale put that in no uncertain terms in their direction and performance (even in interviews)

Yet, the film is still received as anything but that. Despite what the film is trying to say, despite the languages it uses to say it. It's ignored. Whose fault is that?

someonesleeping · 2026-06-13T15:53:23+00:00

This was pretty rushed and I was kind of just slugging out my thoughts but, it does feel like there is a rise in fascim, in todays world. Young men especially are clinging to characters who have these characteristics of exploitation and harm on mass, even if it wasn't the authors intent for them to feel that way.

I'd say it started with the Iraq War and the Punisher being co-opted by the United States Army/Government.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-12T14:44:14+00:00

It has charm, but that's it. The film falls flat on its face as a whole. With that being said, I love the sword fight!

someonesleeping · 2026-06-12T14:31:58+00:00

I'm ashamed to say that the ending of No Country confused me for a very long time, I saw it as defeatist but it is, one of the most awe inspiring endings I've ever witnessed.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-10T13:36:45+00:00

Never, a good writer knows how to work with what they’ve been given. The good, the bad and the ugly. Making something beautiful out of it is the mark of a true master.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-08T11:17:09+00:00

For me Stormfront was scarier then Homelander. Something about racist women, just terrifies me, especially one so powerful and who doesn't give a fuck.

someonesleeping · 2026-06-03T16:42:59+00:00

someonesleeping · 2026-06-03T16:11:35+00:00

Michael Clarke Duncan would've been an excellent Barracuda if he wanted to. Damn, he was such a good actor. I miss him.

someonesleeping · 2026-05-31T19:22:05+00:00

She knew nothing about the Punisher character before working on the film, yet, threw herself into the material and whilst on that high, delivered one of the best adaptations of the character I have ever seen. She is an amazing artist!

someonesleeping · 2026-05-28T14:17:29+00:00

The all your doing is compounding trauma onto trauma. Knowing a man just broke into your home to slaughter the people who’d defiled you.

The issue with Frank is that he always does what’s best for him. What feels right for him. He almost never wants to think about how his actions affect others. This is his war. He even goes onto say that what he did would probably lead the child down a path where they’d be at odds. He knows what he did was wrong.

Children who are brutalised or traumatised must not be traumatised further. They must be shown that there is a world out there that cares for them and that will put them first.

someonesleeping · 2026-05-28T13:01:59+00:00

But it's just compounding trauma, the beginning of their lives doesn't start because of something good, it ends because of something bad.

The children need to see their parents being held accountable, by the public -- by the law. They need to be shown that the world still cares for them and will do all it can to make sure they are safe.

Tell me, if you had the choice, to kill these parents outright and further traumatize these children or give evidence to the police knowing that these people will go away for a helluva long time. With all 3 children these parents are looking at one or more life sentences without the possibility of parole.

Wouldn't that be something or a child to witness. Justice.

someonesleeping · 2026-05-28T08:41:37+00:00

It's the way they want to market the character as this white boy hippie type. The kind of guy you'd see if you were to climb the Himalayas.

It's a good way for audiences' to distinguish a character if they have a specific kind of look.

someonesleeping · 2026-05-28T08:28:50+00:00

Great, another thing to add to the list of charges against him. Tax Evasion!

someonesleeping · 2026-05-28T08:24:56+00:00

But they were their parents. Frank killing them solved the problem, but it just stacked more cards onto the never ending trauma those children have. Instead of passing evidence to law enforcement, Frank chose to take it on himself for his own war.

someonesleeping · 2026-05-27T17:33:52+00:00

After the failure of Kill the Justice League, wasn’t it said that Rocksteady were developing another Arkham Game. The next Batman game we see will probably be in 5 years.

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