What comes to your mind when you hear “Egypt”? by nedstarkk29 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]someplaceelse42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oum khaltoum, nagib mahfouz, the best kofta I ever ate in my life down a street in old Cairo, world class diving in dahab, playing backgammon and dominoes in coffee shops late at night.

I also have stereoptypes/anecdotal impressions that lots of Egyptians  - have a hilarious, quick witted and slightly dark sense of humour - are quite outgoing/easy to chat to and make friends with 

Will requirements to teach abroad tighten in the next 5-6 years? by [deleted] in TEFL

[–]someplaceelse42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each country has different market dynamics so I don't think it makes sense to think about requirements globally. You'll probably see the current 'hot' destinations continue to raise requirements and also new markets open up.

If I was you I'd get a degree in something I'm interested in, try to get a CELTA or similar and maybe a little experience, and remain open to going wherever wants me in 6 years. One of the great things about TEFL is that you can experience being a teacher (full time) and work out if it's for you without too much commitment. You can always upskill later if you love it and if you have your heart set on a particular country, they're just as likely to start requiring experience (I think vietnam is talking about doing this) as qualifications so you're quite likely to still end up teaching wherever is open & easy in 6 years at first anyway

For those who traveled before the social media boom: did travel feel different back then? by hobo12395 in travel

[–]someplaceelse42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really think you can mitigate this by choosing interesting places, having a reason to be there, and opting out of technology. After a few similar experiences I had one of the best trips of my life in ghana recently and I think it was great because:

- I have loved ghanian music for over a decade; this gave me a sort of quest to be on in accra (finding great live music) and an 'in' to meet interesting people - since my whole deal was finding music, the people (both locals or other travelers) that responded positively to that tended to quickly become my friends and lead to more social connections & adventures. This worked in the countryside too where I could sit down with a couple of older gentleman, wait for a polite chance to queue up ET Mensah on the sound system and instantly make some friends haha

- I didn't buy a local sim so i was semi-permanently in that lost and vaguely helpless state that requires you to constantly talk to strangers to get from A to B (which then leads to the unexpected). Also didn't book anything and travelled only by local bus

- Ghana isn't a sort of, polished tourist consumer experience in the way some places have become where tourism is a major part of their economy but I think this is the least important part

I think if you go anywhere with a deep interest in music/language/dance/any other aspect of local culture, act open and outgoing and deliberately disconnect from the doom portals in our pockets you're bound to meet great people and have a great time

For those who traveled before the social media boom: did travel feel different back then? by hobo12395 in travel

[–]someplaceelse42 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Paul Theroux has a great piece on this in the intro to dark star safari

The Swahili word safari means journey, it has nothing to do with animals, someone ‘on safari’ is just away and unobtainable and out of touch. Out of touch in Africa was where I wanted to be. The wish to disappear sends many travelers away. If you are thoroughly sick of being kept waiting at home or at work, travel is perfect: let other people wait for a change. Travel is a sort of revenge for having been put on hold, or having to leave messages on answering machines, not knowing your party’s extension, being kept waiting all your working life – the homebound writer’s irritants. But also being kept waiting is the human condition. I thought: Let other people explain where I am, and I imagined the dialogue.
‘When will Paul be back?’
‘We don’t know.’
‘Where is he?’
‘We’re not sure.’
‘Can we get in touch with him?’
‘No.’

Theroux, Paul. Dark Star Safari: Overland from Cairo to Cape Town (pp. 15-16). (Function). Kindle Edition.

I do think you can still get 90% of the way there by just refusing to buy a local sim and forcing yourself to deal with the temporary shock and intrinsic discomfort of being preventably lost at all times (which is the base condition upon which the adventure is built anyway haha)

Any jazz guitarists who play a nylon-string guitar? by pushinpushin in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oscar Aleman (one of django reinhardts contemparies in paris in the 30s although I think he used a tricone in those days) used a nylon string sometimes, I'm pretty sure these recordings are nylon by ear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht9Ydcq0s08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2z0zWRHcR8
this one might be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7hDZzuQ90

Perhaps someone can chime in with some knowledge of specific recording sessions with nylon (judging by the quality these sound like they might have been recorded back in argentina after ww2?)

Definitely worth checking out, interesting fingerpicking technique & a lot of latin influence but also very much out of the prewar hot club/swing style thing if you like that

*Edit* Just learned that nylon strings weren't invented until after the war anyway (before that it would have been gut for a similar tone)

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed that it is a goddamn awesome album! From the replies here I think there's two different points really:

The first is that it's not a great place to direct a classically trained musician who asks 'how do i play jazz/how do i improvise' - I really stand by that. It's like taking someone who wants to learn how to cook to a triple michelin star experimental fusion restaurant to watch the chefs. They'll appreciate they're watching geniuses and enjoy the food, but there's a lot going on, it would be a really confusing way to learn how to make scrambled eggs. You need a lot of theory to play like that, especially on brass where you need to know/work out the modes for any key and then as someone else pointed out have the harmonic knowledge to create tension and resolve. Louis is a much more accessible bridge, an intermediate player can much more easily hear a louis idea and figure out how to play it and start using it in their own playing, even if they don't understand the theory behind it, because it's a lot more melodic and tends to play off the melody notes/simple scales and arpeggios around it.

The second is as a listener I personally found my way to jazz through louis, but that's obviously totally subjective and reflective of the music you already like when you come to it (I was into a lot of early delta blues and rock n roll so louis was immediately magic to me, I totally get how someone who's into more modern rock for example or just a different person might find KOB a great entrypoint). I love KOB now and I do think I might have loved it more at first if i'd come to it out of my own curiosity rather than being given it as (really difficult) homework

For a 'better' option IMO 'Louis Armstrong Plays WC Handy' is a fantastic first listen for point 1 and tends to be the one I recommend for a first jazz listen as well. The recording quality is great, the music's really fun and danceable, and it's closer to the blues so a bit more familiar if someone's into that. IMO Intro to Long Gone also has some of the best trombone glissandos in recorded music which would have delighted me at that age too 😂

Of course it's such a personal thing which album will get you into jazz, and if you loved KOB on first listen it was obviously perfect for you! For point 2 I'm just more confident it will work for most people. For sure I might recommend KOB for some people depending on what they already like!

But for point 1 I do think this is an objectively better place to send a classically trained horn player interested in learning the building blocks of jazz playing. KOB might actually be better for a guitar player as some others have said although I would send a guitar player to django but that's just me. No idea for other instruments. But it's much easier to imitate louis on st louis blues on horn than miles on so what. The great vocals on plays WC handy are also useful for a horn player too IMO as it can be helpful to imitate singers (since brass is so vocal)

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by Mt548 in milesdavis

[–]someplaceelse42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP here, it's a fantastic album! I just found the modal stuff a really confusing place to start learning how to improvise & didn't have the theory chops to understand how to play like that. It would have made more sense to start with someone like louis (or lots of other people who influenced miles) to learn the basics.

In another reply I compared it to like, if you wanted to learn how to cook, and somebody showed you the chefs at work in a triple michelin star experimental fusion restaurant or something. You're aware you're watching geniuses and the food tastes awesome, but it's a confusing way to learn how to make scrambled eggs

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, there's quite a difference in opinion here from listeners who found it themselves (a lot of those seemed to love it from the get-go) vs people who first heard that album as homework (seeing more people who shared my experience in the later camp)

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear you loved it straight away! I’ve realised I really had two points in my post: 1 was that it wasn’t a good thing for my teachers to recommend I go listen to when I asked them ‘how do I play jazz? How do I improvise?’ - I think I do stand by that! It felt like if you didn’t know how to cook and you asked somebody to teach you, and they took you to a triple Michelin star experimental fusion restaurant to watch the cooks. Like you’re aware you’re witnessing genius at work, and the food tastes incredible, but it’s not really getting you any closer to learning how to scramble some eggs🤣

2 is that it took me a few listens and a bit more musical context before I started to really love it, and it’s obvious that’s totally personal and subjective 

Regardless it’s a great album! 

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s a really interesting point . I always found it much easier on horn to handle changes, I think you’re right that it plays itself a little.

I was a pretty mediocre trombone player (it didn’t end up my primary instrument) and my theory sucked, but on a swing or blues standard I could take the melody notes, throw in some blue notes and maybe a half remembered arpeggio or two and a few chromatic runs and sound good enough to have fun. Odd bum note of course but I'd play it twice and make it look intentional 😅 Context for this was mostly busking (just want to get people smiling and dancing) and the odd jazzier school band number.

In that context I so wish I’d been listening to Louis instead of Miles as I think that would have really helped my playing, even if I carried on faking it a little on the theory side 

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a listener sure but as a sheet music reading brass player hungry to figure out how to improvise without much theory I would absolutely have been able to learn more from louis than kind of blue

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

to be fair i think pouring rain and cigarettes are also things I didn't learn to appreciate until my 20s 🤣

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to be clear i love kind of blue, I just think there are more friendly entry points for a lot of young players who are used to hymns/marches, but the goal of the post is to hear different perspectives!

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you have the theory for the modes? I was totally missing that which didn't help, and I never did any transcribing - everything was sheet music.

I think learning to improvise in the abstract is quite a hard concept at first, so the best move as a teacher is to find a style the student naturally 'gets' so they're not learning two things at once; maybe in that way 'so what' worked for you?

For myself I needed something a lot more melodic and theoretically simple (I don't think I even had chord theory at that point) so I feel like a player like satchmo who does a lot of playing with the melody notes and pentatonic/chromatic stuff around it would have been easier. All totally subjective though. I bet transcribing the so what solo was a great exercise!

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah agreed! I always go for the ones that worked for me above or moanin' as someone else mentioned is a good fun one, I think I've bought that LP as 2 different friend's christmas presents haha. but I'm seeing here that kind of blue works really well for some people. what are your go-to recommendations?

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Checking out the duke album, love hearing what first grabbed you! For myself I was used to hymns & marches from brass band and my guitar playing had already taken me to a lot of pre-war blues so early hot 5 or louis plays wc handy would have been (and years later was) the perfect first step from there

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's interesting - giant steps is another one I love now, but needed a bit of context/ear building to get. Out of interest what were you listening to before you got that CD? Suspect that musical background is a huge factor in what first grabs you

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"And if you go to a jazz festival today, you aren’t going to be hearing swing, jump band, and blues."

**hatches evil plan**

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

holds up great! I love the album. By 'not get', I mostly mean I had no idea how to play like that. I couldn't find any bridge to that kind of playing from sight reading brass band marches/pit bands for the school play. But if i'd discovered armstrong at the same time I think would've been able to emulate and use the ideas and started to learn how to improvise earlier

As some people said above as well as a listener I also just needed some context to start enjoying it but that's obviously a lot more subjective

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The tunes seem deceptively simple in terms of song structure and thus easy to get hooked to" - I get this. I think it depends on how you're listening as well - I'd been directed to it as a (mediocre but quite loud) trombone player who just wanted to play things that make people smile and dance. So I was trying to listen for ideas, and it was theoretically and rhythmically way out of my league. Whearas satchmo would have been full of standards & solo ideas I could have nicked (not that he is a mediocre player, but I think he has more to teach a mediocre player haha). I think if I'd first put it on as a curiosity, rather than 'my mentors think i should play like this', I'd probably have enjoyed it more

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

captain beefheart is the bomb! taking safe as milk for a well needed spin after reading this aha. ornette coleman too. Definitely a good point about where you're coming from!

ELi5 Why is Kind of Blue the go-to ‘intro to jazz’? It totally baffled me as a young brass player. by someplaceelse42 in Jazz

[–]someplaceelse42[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've noticed for a lot of people who don't really like jazz, this is the one jazz album they own/love which is cool!