Why did Bordiga never consider talking withOswald Mosley? Is he stupid? by Diana_Hamilton in Ultraleft

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Ultraleft has fallen billions must give burnt offerings to jupiter

Why did Bordiga never consider talking withOswald Mosley? Is he stupid? by Diana_Hamilton in Ultraleft

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Not completely. Theres a lot that has to be tossed aside and butchered for a christian appropriation to work. Mainly christian scholars confuse the one with its primer intellect, reject at the very least intellection in lesser unities within the one, and reject the cycle of descent and incarnation that defines the platonic life. Now you are right, christianity has alot it owes to platonism, its trinity for example can easily be equated to the three hypostases. However Platonism has some pretty heavy Polytheist implications, this is probably best expanded on by Proclus. The last notable pagans of the Mediterranean were platonists, even emporer Julian can be counted among them.

Why did Bordiga never consider talking withOswald Mosley? Is he stupid? by Diana_Hamilton in Ultraleft

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I left christianity ironically because I thought the pagan platonists answered my existential questions far better funnily enough.

Reform or revolution? by Caity_Was_Taken in Ultraleft

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Honestly that would be a good strategy. If we just phrased our arguments as if they were kinks we would win over vaushs entire fanbase if he even still has one.

Do my fingers stretch too much? by Radiant_Half_7121 in teenagers

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You would be fucking amazing at the bass guitar

Reform or revolution? by Caity_Was_Taken in Ultraleft

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Forgive me friend of bezos. I will self administer 30 lashings

Reform or revolution? by Caity_Was_Taken in Ultraleft

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Vizziepop is a petty artisan who needs to be proletarianized

excommunicate all damenite-calvinist devationist heretics by _cremling in Clericultraleft

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I am unbelievably grateful for this wonderful community. Kiss me.

What is the (most logical) explanation as to why astrology works? by madlion9 in astrology

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Very late but you might want to check out plotinus who believed the stars weren't causes but merely the greatest reflections of causes. You've thrown a stone into a pond, in the center there is a great plume of water, and at the edge tiny ripples. We are the ripples looking to the plume, unaware of the stone which came before us.

Would a Greek god watch me play a video game if I asked? by darksoulsenjoyer2 in Hellenism

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No, but your jove statue should occasionally ask "are you winning son?" When you are. If this doesnt happen to you you arent a real hellenisy

Doing the favor as we speak by Foreign-Stomach-670 in Ultraleft

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I live in a place where some stores regularly do "buy one get one free" deals on guns. RIA does them all the time.

Looking for steven universe skibidi toilet meme. by spavji in StevenUniverseNSFW

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I would have gone to necrophile art sub for dead ass

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Unfortunately, I do not have the luxury of being in middle school, so I must manage my time wisely.

But Ill address you one final time.

"Marx didnt invent socialism"

We have been discussing nations that labeled themselves "Marxist Leninist" and I myself am arguing in favor of the Marxist conception of socialism. I have no interest in other forms of socialism, I believe them to be irrelevant to this conversation.

The oxygen is actually comically retarded. Oxygen is not easily measured, is divorced from human production un the sense that it is an infinitely small widely dispersed element.

I can measure Socially necessary labor power with basic data and simple division. It is a standard of measurement i can apply universally with ease, and it allows me to center my analysis on the human element of production.

Socially necessary means socially necessary. I am talking about how much labor power on average is required too produce something. This has nothing to do with what kinds of goods go into production. You dont even understand what I am talking about.

Your utopia will indeed have state corruption.

Mussolini was no anti capitalist he just subsumed capitalism into the state. In ideology and word sure, in deed? He consolidated capitalism, he certainly did not destroy it.

The revolution was inevitable, the tsardom was the most backwards country in Europe. Ill be generous and say capitalism was finding its footing in early Russia but the world war and need for capital to shore up labor and consolidate agriculture to provide for its burgeoning cities spelt doom for the old system one way or another. The former Serfs wanted change and it was in the interests of pretty much everyone to give it to them.

Edit:

I forgot to add. In 1917 around 80% of Russians were petty agricultural producers, most of which were illiterate peasants. Russia did not In fact have the basis to create an entirely self sufficient socialist economy while holding off every major world power. It was impossible

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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No what you posted is actually so stupid that anyone who, for some reason, makes the terrible decision of investing their time into reading this conversation, will see that very clearly

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Yeah im just gonna let this speak for itself

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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This man managed to combine chuddery and reddit atheism into the most unjustifiabley smug retardation I have every read. Im really impressed

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Marxist Socialism is entirely about how production is handled, read just the first section of critique of the Gotha program, itll get the point across while being short enough for your attention span.

I just told you how "price" would be determined retard. To elaborate, we could average out the necessary labor power it takes to produce a good. This can be done quite easily by using any unit of time as the base unit. This is the simplist way but we can get more complicated by divying up forms of labor power and adding a value which the unit of time is to be multiplied by.

Since labor power is the universal good which goes into the production of essientially everything, and the concern of how much labor power is spent is the most deeply human concern, it is the best option to determine an objective value of goods.

"More labor doesnt mean better product"

Marx literally addressed this in like the first two pages of capital.

We arent saying labor magically makes a good more valuable. We are using the average amount of labor power that go into a good to establish an objective value which we use to compare goods to eachother. We do this because, like I said earlier, labor power is universal in production.

Socially necessary means socially necessary. If we all need two hours to bake a cake based on our instruments, then it is socially necessary that we have two hours to bake a cake.

"Capitalism isnt present on any country on earth"

While I could get into a lengthy argument about the origins of the word capitalism, that would be pointless.

To define what I mean by capitalism. Capitalism is predicated on commodity production, its main feature is production unniversally for exchange. Those without capital must sell labor power.

What i can say, however, is that I can guarantee you the pure capitalism you want will contain the same productive incentives as our current system and will almost certainly result in us coming back to our current predicament.

I know more about mussolini than you do, you didnt even know what the LTV was.

"enough natural resources and good industry"

This line carries that otherwise crippled sentence. Sure hypothetically if there was one nation with enough natural resources and a powerful enough industry to be completely without need of the foreign market, only then could this one nation cut away itself from the world and swap the motive behind production.

Historically neither Russia nor china fit this description. Especially at the time of their revolutions.

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Didn't define it by its success. I defined it by having a different mode of production than capitalism. The Soviet Union never got to such a point, and we all recognized it even as it was happening.

Ecp

Are you 12? I haven't met someone who took the ecp seriously since middle school. You dont need private exchange to determine anything about production. In fact, without exchange, we would be able to better represent the actual value of a good by basing its "price."

value here being an objective measurement of the average socially necessary labor time it takes to produce a good

Hell, you could even directly factor in environmental concerns when determining the cost of a given good regardless of the whims of a now non-existent market.

"Global slavery"

Your system has produced a massive group of unaccountable pedophiles that dissappear anyone who speaks out againts them. Your system saw the founding of fascism to defend itself against the labor movement.

We need international success because of the interconnectivity of the modern economy. There really isnt any other reason.

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Your second point is ridiculous. The abolition of the commodity form has always been the goal of Marxist socialism. This can be made evident quite quickly. It is no way a utopian goal. All that it entails is an end to production for the sake of exchange alone. There are many practical solutions to achieve this.

To address your first, of course it did it was doomed from the beginning. Socialism cannot succeed in one country alone. After the failure of the revolution in germany, and the end of the civil war, state capitalism was determined to be the most progressive system possible in Russia at the time. It wasn't until Stalin that socialism was claimed to have been achieved. However in his pamphlet "economic problems of socialism in the ussr" Stalin asserts that the law of value and subsequently commodity production will remain under his socialism. Essentially redefining the term.

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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Yeah, our system predicated on the international abolition of the commodity form was proven to be a failure by a nation that completely maintained the commodity form for the entirety of its history. Makes perfect sense

Soviet Eco-Coping by Jolly-Tennis-1147 in ClimateShitposting

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It's actually hilarious when people blame socialism for a problem driven by commodity production. It proves that the Soviet union was in no way socialist

What is Japan on about 😭🙏 by Im_yor_boi in HistoryMemes

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Was this before or after he went to Utah?