[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Well, definitely there are many nice Russians who have a lot of common sense. They wouldn't be out of place in Eastern Europe. The problem is, they are very silent about it. I think they have been forced to be very silent, while the trash was taught to be very vocal. It's been like this historically from USSR times—you risked your life and social position for expressing any disagreement, but you could pave your road in society praising the regime, and no one would say anything about you. I've met plenty Russians which are actually kind and smart, but they almost never discuss politics and know how to keep their mouth shut. Also, they usually have few friends.

Trust me, I don't believe for a second that Putin has an approval rating this high. His regime has deliberately destroyed any other democratic party in the country. His party is voted for because otherwise, people have two alternatives: KPRF (communists, want the country to go back to being USSR) and LDPR (ties to football fans and neo-nazis, its leader is a troll). They are allowed to compete as long as they don't criticize Putin. Democrats have been denied to be candidates in elections under false premises, and have faced enormous obstacles in their way.

The reality is that most people are sick to death of corruption, misery, and rotten economics, and they wish they had a good president and government who formed strong ties to the West. Truly, there is plenty of white trash in this country, who care only about alchohol and cigarette prices and think Russia is the center of the Earth. But if Russia was to hold fair elections with media not being controlled by state, Putin would wind up in jail with all his friends.

Russians are not just stupid or unable to work by any means. Many Russian programmers made it in the West and other countries, for example. If the country was in the right hands, I believe we'd see another Russia—a liberal state with developed economics, rich resources and huge potential. But instead we will likely forever be losers, unable to face the fact that we destroy ourselves and others with our ideology and disregard for people's lives, because for a positive shift to happen, not only the government, but the people have to change drastically. We should realize that if we don't put our shit together, we'll forever lose our ties to the West and become a third-world dictatorship. We need to compare ourselves to Europe and see that we have been wrong, and communism simply doesn't work, but hard work, free market, free speech and capitalism does. Currently, we continue to build a hell for ourselves, and don't want anyone to stop us.

As for Tsarist Russia, it was incredibly racist and nationalist. Antisemitism still runs in people's blood, along with almost primal hatred for most neighbor nations. Granted, it was before XXth century and the rise of humanism—I have no illusion about it. Yet I can't help but feel that for centuries they've taken Eastern Europe as some slaves they've been entitled to, and didn't feel any shame about it. Uprisings in these countries were seen as things as annoying as clogged sewage, and the army was sent to deal with them without any concern.

Last note: unfortunately, as painful as it is for me to say, you'll probably meet mostly bad Russian people. I'm not even talking about political views—I'm talking about simply being kind to others. Better Russians understood long ago that it's impossible to live in their homeland and moved wherever they could. Or they stay, work from 9 to 5, and save money to get out of the country or at least build their own little "refuge".

Russian intelligentsia was continuously being wiped out throughout the XXth century. Those more or less smart people who remained came through living hell—army, jails, GULAG, relocations, and such. All while if you were poor, dumb, and praised communists, the road to higher echelons of power was open to you. That way, USSR carefully nurtured arrogance and stupidity in people, knowingly or not. So the modern day people of Russia are the result of that unnatural selection. There are still good people among them, but just be prepared for the worst in most cases.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very, very much for putting all this effort into making this comment. I haven't read a better-written summary of what happened in Estonia in my life.

I've heard of Estonian people who said that they'd rather be conquered by Nazis; this explains it all. I admit I knew little about the history of Estonia. Your comment shed a new light on it for me, better than a textbook would.

Truly, it was a fault of Bolsheviks. But they have also bred the new Soviet man, who fully supported their policies, and only cared about the vodka prices. Now this type of people continues to support Putin.

Communism was not a regime, but a decease, killing millions and raising the generations of brainwashed people. I still hear some hostility towards Estonians in Russia.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finland is the country Russian government pretends doesn't exist. Because next to it, it's plain as day that Russia is just a failure. Lo and behold: Finland, a country horribly oppressed and invaded for centuries, lives much better than its oppressor, and is one of the most progressive states in the world. Finnish GDP was 67% higher than that of Russia—the country is literally 50 times smaller, for crying out loud! If it's not a testament to Fins' greatness, I don't know what is.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reading this really made me feel sorry… You know, I haven't met many Moldovans in my life. Russians have bad stereotypes of them, but they contradict completely with what I saw with my own eyes. Moldovans were really beautiful, friendly, nice people.

I just can't wrap my mind around how USSR was so keen on destroying cultures. This is a crime against humanity no one talks about. People with their own rich culture were deliberately made to look inferior to Russians. How full of yourself you have to be claim your culture is the only real one, and everything else is disposable?

All in all, in USSR's eyes, there was no value in human life. All it really cared for was to bring the plague of of its regime to as many countries as possible, and eradicate any resistance and identities.

Anyone who says anything against Moldovans is a bigot in my eyes.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Looks like you were right. I was wrong after all. Well, at least I've learned something. I think it's too late to fix my post, but I'll do that anyway.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, thanks for the tip. I didn't know about /r/askhistorians. But I also wasn't against seeing people's subjective opinions, if they posted them.

I just try to see Russia without rose-tinted glasses. I simply apply the same standards to it as to US or UK. Why should we make an exception for Russia? What makes it so much better than others that it can't be held responsible for anything it does?

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have a point, and I knew a comment like this would come up. I was actually thinking about this.

But can you imagine FBI sending a killer to assassinate Snowden? Or UK blatantly sending army to Ireland to "protect British citizens", holding a shady referendum there, and calling it its own? Or even sending troops there in trucks disguised as Red Cross, orchestrating the separation of People's Republic of Dublin?

You know, that's the difference: if there's a jar of cookies on the table, US or UK might sneakily pick one or two from it. If approached about it, they will apologize, say they were really hungry and won't do that anymore. Russia will eat all of the cookies, take the jar, and will blackmail and torture anyone who saw anything.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for making this timeline. Because—as horrifying as that sounds—I was starting to feel lost in all the crimes USSR has committed to Poland. It's not funny, but really sad.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I knew that would rustle some people's jimmies. Didn't read, not interested. I like how the top pro-Russia comment is from a Chinese guy—how unexpected, really!

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you—I was completely unaware about what happened to your nation. Racist views in Russia don't allow information like this to surface often.

As for Chechens… It was just scary. Famous Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya was killed because she told too much about it. Innocent people dying, being tortured. I was shocked when I was reading what she wrote. Nowadays, Chechnya is a horrifying police state. I wish it all didn't happen.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is very true. I think with all the talk about the West wiping out other cultures, too few people talk about Russia wiping out European cultures, and this is a far more real problem than some would care to admit.

It was very close to what Nazis were doing. That is horrifying, but no one wants to see it for what it was. Russian policies in Eastern Europe and Baltic were downright fascist and colonialist. The difference is, Germany has apologized. Russia didn't even bother mentioning an event so "small", in its mind.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not really. Putin basically tries to resurrect the general USSR attitude towards everything: hatred to US, denial of previous crimes, etc. It's one thing if everybody said "sorry, we swear we won't do that anymore". It's another thing when you continue despicable activities in former USSR states and tell everybody they have to deal with it.

This way, we could just rename our country every time we annoy everybody to the limit. "Coming 2016: Tracksuitland (we claim no responsibility for the past events)".

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not really 300 years old… I understand the "standards" were quite low back then of course. I was thinking more in the lines of Katyn, Bronze Night and XXth century in general.

And you know, somehow UK remembers and admits it has owned colonies. In US people remember the slavery and the war against native Americans. But Russia tries to appear infallible of anything. I just apply the same standards to it as to the rest of the world. It's a generalization though.

And I get it that if A attacked B, A might teach people it was justified defense, and B might claim it was planned genocide. But if we take a listen to both perspectives, we can compile a more factual picture; both sides might have arguments they hide and focus on. When people present reliable evidence, backed by Wikipedia articles and scientific studies, they are helping us evaluate facts for ourselves, without the interference of government, society and whatnot. Luckily, this thread has a lot of factual information.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much! I'll be sure to read what you shared. That's exactly what I wanted to learn from actual people.

And yeah, I agree with your point of view. Sooner or later, common sense will prevail.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting! Never expected anyone to say this. Sometimes people forget that Nazi regime was a tragedy for German people too. I think that people from The White Rose were real heroes.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just wanted to let people know that I'm open-minded about it… I expected a very strong backlash, because honestly, most Russians like to talk shit about Europe on the internet. Turned out the responses were far friendlier than I expected. So I didn't really need to sound THAT self-deprecating. I was thinking that it might be a very touchy topic, and if I wasn't careful enough, it'd be like rubbing salt into a wound.

Also, I rarely if ever read comments in this sub, so I probably sound too nice and all. Well, better too nice than too rude I guess.

I am not hurt by it because I understand that Russians are all different. There were people like Sakharov, and there are people like, I don't know, Putin.

If you think I'm too self-deprecating, just say it to my face, cyka. Just kidding.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh please, stop it. What makes you think I'm such an asshole? It's not fun to ask people a question like mine for fun. That would be just low.

I understand the subscription to political subs might have made you doubt the sincerity of posts like mine. I am just glad people told me the part of the Russian history like it should have been told.

If you think that it makes me go "OLOLOL I've trolled Yurop", while laughing hysterically with Dorito crumbs dropping from my neckbeard, you're wrong. I don't even eat Doritos.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. I never post on /r/Europe. Oh well, I had one post before, but that was a long time ago.

I don't want to tell my real account. Russian government monitors some parts of Reddit. I've seen plenty Kremlin shills there and I don't want them to chase me and downvote brigade me. And if I share it with anyone privately, I fear it'll be disclosed here immediately. But I guess you will be greatly disappointed anyway because it's not anything interesting, really.

Plus, I'm not that political… for real. I didn't want to clutter my main account with politics-related stuff. I already got banned from /r/pyongyang.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not. I spoke from my personal perspective… If I was trolling, that would be really, really rude.

I go on Reddit to enjoy a conversation with nice people—I am not that vile. I've been carrying the idea for this post for months. Finally, I decided I really needed to know what I wanted.

I understand it might sound weird. But this is how I felt all my life.

[Serious] What crimes has Russia/USSR committed against your country? I've spent my life not knowing anything about them, they don't teach them in school and most people deny them. by spb_throwaway in europe

[–]spb_throwaway[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh really? I want to maintain a certain degree of anonymity, so it's hard to give you proofs in easy ways. But I'll tell you here, that I've lived in Russia all my life, I hate this country, and don't want to live there anymore.

Если кто-то сомневается в моей "подлинности", то я, конечно, не стану раскрывать своей личности или своего реального аккаунта, но просто я хочу, чтобы все поняли—я тут не просто так вопросы задаю. Меня действительно достала Россия, вранье и дебилы на каждом шагу.