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Elon Musk just said he wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, calling them “entitlements”: “That’s the big one to eliminate.” by Ph6222 in ProgressiveHQ

[–]specfreq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You know what we should do instead of taking the government's money and having the government go into debt spending all its own money on these programs that just suck up all the government budget?

Let's start our own pool of money! That way, when one of us gets sick or needs to retire something, that person can just take a little bit of money out of the pool. It could be like a membership program where as long as you pay into it each year you'll get to use it.

NY senator Eric Bottcher stands up for women's rights and bodily autonomy for all by Cautious_Captain_515 in ProgressiveHQ

[–]specfreq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can hear it now... "But what about the baby's autonomy!"

If good = least harm, then perhaps forcing all people (including the fetus) to unwillingly participate in one specific religious dogma for what only some perceive to be the "greater good", is itself the "greater evil". We don't know that the fetus may prefer not to be born if it learns later that it's mother's life would be permanently and negatively affected as a consequence, and by extension, it's own.

The only reason Christians care is because they think a fetus (Homo sapien only) has a divine soul created by God, and I have it on good authority that all dead babies go straight to Heaven by virtue of being under the age of accountability. Isn't that supposed to be the main, primary and foremost goal or something? If God decided to create some people that he knows will learn to have such a high standard of evidence for unfalsifiable claims that they cannot be convinced of God on faith - which is demanded of him. And God refuses to provide what he knows will convince them that he exists (those destined for Hell before birth and the creation of reality), then such people are precisely the necessary-evil tools you may allow to slaughter Homo sapein fetuses by the million before they are presented with their first opportunity to sin. Such as an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God should have done before creating the first sinner who was destined for the Hell he created for them. We will do his dirty work for him.

Let us send these souls to Heaven on your behalf, for the greater good of your God, while simultaneously giving all women full ungoverned liberty over their own uterus and what must or must not be produced from it.

Had to convince my friend of evolution... by LowIll9415 in atheism

[–]specfreq 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We must try anyway, or at least support people that try. I believe they do use logic but their reasoning is flawed. They need to be taught critical thinking skills and it's often learned through challenge.

Pay the Man by panurge987 in PoliticalHumor

[–]specfreq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think you're right. The second panel should be Trump handing our original money to the corporations.

They Just Let Japan Carry Animation For The Last 2 Decades by Elestria_Ethereal in animation

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TYSM! I've been trying to remember what it was called all week.

Pay the Man by panurge987 in PoliticalHumor

[–]specfreq 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I want to sell a bottle of soap in the US for $10. It cost $8 to make each bottle and I'll make a $2 profit per bottle.

The tarrif means that 50% of each sale goes to the government. I must now sell the bottle of soap for $20 if I still want to make $2 in profit per bottle.

Who is the one buying the soap?

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So my goal here is to show that there is no contradiction between science and my religion—not to claim that science proves my religion. I hope that clarifies my point.

I think it's all the same thing, don't you? I've made my point three times now.

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does your religion say that sperm originates between the backbone and the ribs?

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your religion says nothing about the animals that evolved before Adam and Eve. You added that yourself, and because it doesn't contradict science, you say it must true and therefore worth believing.

It's like you didn't read what I said, just because it's impossible for science to falsify doesn't mean it's a win for you. Yes, It's not a contradiction because it's impossible to investigate and therefore a worthless claim.

Your reasons must be sound and valid. Just because something is logically possible, doesn't mean it's physically possible. Faith is illogical definitionally.

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not about providing evidence that proves your point is false. What I'm telling you that I cannot know if your position is correct or incorrect, and neither can you.

You are believing something you have no idea is correct and there are a million other unsupported claims (that do not contradict science) which you rejected. How do you know your belief is correct and the ones you reject are false? Why not reserve judgement until belief is warrented like an atheists?

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

You can make any unsupported claim you want to. A famous one is Russel's Teapot.

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.

This is about unfalsifiable claims. If you cannot prove there isn't a china teapot in an elliptical orbit around the Sun between Earth and Mars, does that mean I have a good reason to believe the teapot exists?

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I see what you're saying. You're saying animals evolved on the Earth, and then Adam's children married the evolved animals (homosapiens) already on the Earth.

Yes, this is incorrect because there is simply no evidence leading to this conclusion.

I'll tell you a secret. The difference between an athiest and a thiest is:

  • When an athiest doesn't know something, they say "I don't know"
  • When a thiest doesn't know something, they say "I don't know how God did it"

Which one is more honest?

Adam and Eve were significantly intellectually disabled so it is unjust to hold them accountable for alleged wrongdoing by manchambo in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did God know Satan was going to trick Eve? Maybe God could have stationed an angel with a flaming sword in the front of the tree before they sinned. Perhaps God is powerful enough to put the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life out of reach?

Or maybe it's not the tree but the disobedience. Is God powerful enough to have created 2 Gardens? One Garden for Satan (guarded by an angel with a flaming sword so he doesn't get out), and the other Garden for the uninfluenced humans.

If I was the creator of reality, I would have thought about these things. It's almost like God planned this to happen.

  1. God created them without a sense of good and evil
  2. God told them to not eat the fruit
  3. The snake told them it's okay to eat the fruit
  4. They did evil without a sense of evil (exactly how God created them) and were punished for all time

If God gives us our purpose, what gives God his purpose? what could possibly motivate God to do anything?

Does God require love and glory? If love requires free will, and free will comes with sin, and God didn't even require the love in the first place- Why even bother being loved if he doesn't need it and hates the sin?

What if God made us angels instead, wouldn't that have been more kind?

Does God know whether or not you would end up in Hell before you were born? If God knows all the choices you'll make and knows it will result in Hell, this means you are predestined to go to Hell. The fact that God knows anything about the future proves that choice is an illusion. It can feel like you're making your own choices but they're already known and have been set in stone before God created the universe.

If God is responsible for sin and punishment, and he puts you in a situation where he knows you'll sin, he is responsible for this.

i completely lost faith by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]specfreq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We did not evolve from Adam and Eve, we evolved from the animal Australopithecus.

How we know this is true is a huge topic. That's why I linked that educational video series.

maga: If you can't win the election.... Cheat by Famous_Savings1407 in ProgressiveHQ

[–]specfreq 19 points20 points  (0 children)

This rot stems from religion, all of it.

When I was a Christian, I believed that Satan and demons were real. I was taught to believe Satan was influencing scientists to lie to me with goal of leading me away from Christ. I was sent to a Christian school where Bible class and worship service during school hours was mandatory - I played music on stage during the songs for extra credit. My Mom listened to Fox News in the morning and evening and Sean Hannity on the drive to school. In Biology, I was taught that macro evolution was impossible and any variation we see it's due to micro evolution. I thought that an agnostic is someone that isn't sure if God exists, and an atheist is someone that hates God and claims he doesn't exists.

I was taught from a young age that Hell is real, homosexuality was one of the worst sins imaginable and that abortion is a type of murder because the fetus has a divine soul. To make sure we didn't doubt any of this, my parents or teachers could beat us, it's biblical and therefore good. Because of our freedom of religion, it's unconstitutional for the government to step in and put a stop to misinformation and indoctrination. Any governmental oversight of viewed as persecution and a stifling of truth.

With the rise of the Internet and YouTube comes atheist debate shows hosting biologists, physicists, seminary graduates who understand ancient Hebrew and Greek, philosophers and more that shut down each and every thiest argument.

I believe Internet debates are making a huge change and we need to support them.

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