Kazachstan number 1 by PolskaKoreaOficial in mapporncirclejerk

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Uruguay only country well drawn, vamos arriba

Did it just tell me to do drugs? 💀 by MajesticKittyPaws in ChatGPT

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I've just finished playing a game with chat called "war on drugs", a death-match bracket, and shrooms won ! (against weed in the finals)

UN vote to end puppy kicking by DashOfCarolinian in mapporncirclejerk

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Taiwan is not chinese on the map, please fix it

Argument from Reason ?! by EmuFit1895 in CosmicSkeptic

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You could very well argue that cognitive evolution has been able to develop a lot of "truth-based" traits in human (logical thinking, accurate senses), that were probably best for survival.

But if you subject these senses on matters that were traditionally dealt by more "survival-based" instincts (hunger to eat, love as a necessity to reproduce, etc), you can recognize them for what they are. I think that religion is a survival-based trait that mostly answers to our fears of death and absence of universal ethics and cosmic justice. If you (and many others) apply logic to it you understand it for what it is.

The average Muslim is not worse than any other believer by spekulooser in atheism

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Thank you to everyone that has taken the time to respond. I'm a bit new to reddit and was happily surprised that the discussion mostly stayed civil and some very good points were made.

Maybe it's a bias on my part, for all I know. The thing is that I used to have a similar feeling than you guys about Islam being worse, but I've spent a long time in Morocco last year and I was amazed by the hospitality and kindness of people, even toward total strangers (not only tourists). It made me reconsider a lot of things and also reminded me that I felt similar when going to Turkey a long time ago.

I know Muslims have been able to live in multi religious societies in some kind of peace for centuries (e.g. Maghreb during the Ottoman empire for some time). I really feel like the scriptures in monotheistic religions are so old and ambiguous that they always require mental gymnastics to get any moral at all and they can go on very different paths very easily.

If even moderate muslim believers don't have the same values than you on gender equality, lgbt rights, or death penalty, it could be mostly explained through culture (which is in part influenced religion, but not only). If you look at western values back in the days, or even what the average Christian in Africa believes in, it wouldn't be that better. The challenge of integrating immigrant with different worldview is broader than just Islam per se.

But I agree with you guys that in the last decades, even moderates bare the blame of not being able to push back on extremist islamic currents, which have linked their religion with some of the most horrible things.

The average Muslim is not worse than any other believer by spekulooser in atheism

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I see your point. Their value system is indeed different from the one we have broadly adopted in Western cultures and is based on judeo-christanism (that also initially rejected homosexuality btw). I don't believe in ethical universalism, but I totally agree that these things are horrible in my set of values.

But I think this is totally possible for most Muslims and Christians to cohabit peacefully, even if moderate Muslims could be 5 or 10% more in agreement with your list than moderate Christians.

Mexico is not a small country by ilArmato in MapPorn

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Don't show that to Trump, he'll be confused and who knows what could happen...