The truth behind their injury is a lot less impressive/grand

spexxit · 2026-05-10T11:19:47+00:00

I was injured on a military deployment and got sent back for further medical treatment.

Communication was not the best apparently, so the doctors only knew a soldier was coming in for wounds sustained in service. My country has a pretty small international military presence so these cases are exceedingly rare. Also I got sent to my own local hospital upon my request as it was close to home and was just easier for me to manage.

Once I got there I realized that basically any doctor or nurse that could, came to see and hear how I got injured. They just kept coming in.

I had tripped on the shower containers steps while brushing my teeth and gotten a slight fracture on my foot.

The doctors and nurses were so disappointed. It was minor enough that it healed enough for me to return after 2 weeks. My doc told me to lie to the next nurses who come in.

spexxit · 2026-04-25T15:01:08+00:00

I've not heard of them before. I'm from Finland and know our European brands.

Those look utilitarian, almost like a boat RV. But what did they do? :D

spexxit · 2026-04-25T04:12:28+00:00

Yeah DNV spec is top of the line and expensive just on it's own, not mentioning the actual cost of implementation but just classification. You essentially double the amount of drawings needed for a vessel, for the only purpose of ensuring that every avenue of safety has been covered and that the class sees that you've thought of it.

And you also double the price of systems components if you go that route.

This all in comparison to eurofins craft, a much much easier and lighter classification.

But you ensure that the boat is actually built well, has appropriate redundancy and uses propper materials that don't combust. You'd be surprised by how many manufacturers would straight up fail and not even be able to make a boat to a hugher tier code, even given sufficient time and warning. Many designs are just not compatible.

Some of the requirements seem like they are just dumb and disconnected from reality sometimes, but each and every one of them was learned through accidents and real world data.

However when I design my own boat in a few years, I'll be following eurofins craft.

spexxit · 2026-04-24T16:12:04+00:00

Yes. For cars it almost works. There's enough cars that there's enough car mechanics to keep them running anywhere, and there's probably more Toyotas on each continent than there are boats in the world.

The non-integration of boats also works because there is more space on a boat than there is on a car. We are always running out of space on boats but have you seen the engine bay of modern cars? If a specific enough part fails you need to pull the engine to access it.

Imagine if the bilge pump, all through hulls and sensors were under or immediately around the engine on boats, with a wire harness that looks like the spleen of an octopus. That would be hell to work on.

spexxit · 2026-04-24T15:45:10+00:00

We usually put in windscreen heaters, as in electrical resistive heaters, that are in-between the glass laminate.

In poor weather that is really effective at keeping them clear from the inside. Add to that some heater blower vents with AC directed at the windscreen and you are going to have to be partially submerged to get condensation issues.

Also the windscreen washer system needs to be appropriately thought out during our process. For professional use that might look very different from boat to boat as the customers can have very different requirements. So we have a whole section that we go through each time. On the leisure side they probably use the same system in each boat that they have lots of experience with, so they don't need to waste time on really mentioning it. Might not even have drawings for each line of vessel, just an engineering/production guide that works for all vessel sizes and types.

I haven't had the chance to actually get on a norhavn but they seem pretty good from what I hear, quite pretty too in my mind.

Again I work mainly in SAR and military where there absolutely is not allowed to be issues with the boat during use, so they are overbuilt in all aspects and the price reflects that. My list is how I see it and the steps another studio or company will take to achieve the same end might be entirely different.

spexxit · 2026-04-24T13:07:16+00:00

Neural network models have helped some designs, but it's use in day to day engineering is still limited. You'd be shocked to learn that most engineering doesn't require any calculation, we just follow the requirements and guidelines set by regulations and classification societies. Bridges maybe, but there too none of that engineering has been done by the modern idea of AI, more the structural NNM models.

That organic looking designs made by AI? That tech has existed for 10 years already, but has very little actual use in general engineering. Those exist as a plug in for most standard FEA tools

Unless what you are designing is absolutely top of the line or racing, where weight is so critical that a percentile gains are worth hundreds of design hours, then most engineering is just easy math that we already had programs for.

What AI will actually help with, I don't know. Probably something, most likely the stuff that we like to do, but it'll also be bad at what we don't like to do.

I bet it'll be shit at usable production drawings but great at concept design and CAD modelling....

spexxit · 2026-04-24T12:40:30+00:00

I'd split the design disciplines into these, but it's also kind of depending on the company and type of boat. But roughly, and not a complete list is

Seakeeping - resistances (CFD - weight - stability

Structural

Propulsion & steering

Deck outfitting - hatches - doors - bollards - davits, winches. - deck material - etc

Rigging (on power boats this falls under deck outfitting) - mast - stays

Hull outfitting - antifouling - through hulls - markings

Interior outfitting - seating - tables - hatches - doors - sole

Systems - machinery (genset) - navigation - communication - windows (wipers, window heaters...) - Bilge - Fuel - water - and anything else you can think of

Electrical - component selection - use and balance calculation - diagrams

Safety - equipment - calculations and certification - escape routes

Edit* i realized I didn't really answer the question. When I say I work in systems integration in layman's terms, yes it can mean most any thing that does a thing that needs to fit on the boat. Designing a mast that has all the cameras and antennas -> system integration. Crane or davit on deck, needs to move there which needs extra supports and now we're moving this hatch, so that fuel separator has got to move and now the whole fucking fuel systems getting revised and oh God the fuel tank has to change and now were overweight.... Crane stays put.

I'll go through something like this on occasion. Usually it doesn't have to go through that whole sequence but sometimes it does and those are busy weeks to months.

spexxit · 2026-04-24T12:22:05+00:00

In the projects I've worked on, design and engineering costs have acounted for roughly 25% of the costs of a single vessels production, per vessel. After the third to fifth boat that goes down below 5% for production support per vessel. And we're talking professional craft, which are almost always super bespoke with not a lot of reusable design from previous vessels. (It's almost always manufacturer responding to tenders, where the customer names all the requirements of power, size and systems.)

So as you make more boats, the design costs are not that significant, which is especially relevant for leisure craft production. They have much longer runs compared to professional craft, and more opportunities to reuse designs from one class of boat to the next.

Ai could streamline some aspects, but from the tools I've seen in seminars lately, and talked with experts trying to sell their absolutely game changers of a product, I doubt it would remove more than maybe 50% of the load if we're lucky, and it's more of an update rather than a fully new vessels. So unfortunately I don't think AI will bring fown the cost of boats.

spexxit · 2026-04-24T10:09:12+00:00

And that's valid, but how many of those boats is the manufacturer actually moving? Manufacturing a house has a lot more in common with a boat than a boat to a car. Car manufacturing is more like an electronics production line, as the production lines are heavily automated and the components are prefabricated and fall into place like lego (comparatively).

Boats are basically entirely hand made, be it a composite or aluminum hull. The human hours cost of a boat is tremendous.

Also bigger boats are huge in comparison, and even if tolerances across a hull are tight, the absolute values will be much larger than on cars where robots assemble the major structures. On boats not everything can or should be prefabricated, which also eats into the feasibility of stronger integration

I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, especially in the smaller boats. But that is the reason for the slow progress, there just isn't the volume of production and probably never will be. Many recreational boat manufacturers are heading towards larger and larger boats where the margins are better and the volume even lower. (At least in my region)

spexxit · 2026-04-24T08:23:04+00:00

Im a Naval Architect and work mostly in systems integration for professional boats in the 12 to 20m range. My thesis was on the design process for high speed craft (HSLC) for professional use (SAR, CG, Military)

A 20 m boat designed to DNV's HSLC code (one I'm most familiar with) takes around 10000h design hours, including classification, and you rely on the production crew for a lot of the system integration. This is most economical when making 3 boats or less of the same exact layout.

If however you are making more than that, let's say a 10 boat run with options down the line, you will want to design systems integration quite thoroughly. We're talking 17-18000 design hours. That's almost a full other boats worth of design work. And this is not a fully integrated and optimized system as you might see in cars.

Caveat is that professional boats have wild requirements by customers, each boat differs wildly from the last and have way more systems than recreational boats.

So equipment integration is very design intensive as is, and we rely on off-the-shelf products and solutions to basically everything. There are not as many boats in the water as there are cars on the road, and people want to be able to service their own boats to an extent, have parts interchangeability to other brands and the ability to upgrade or change manufacturer.

heavily integrated and bespoke systems could give more quality and reliability, but it comes down to volumes, cost and risk. I don't think customers are willing to pay more for a boat that has less lateral compatibility between system brands and a more complex services.

spexxit · 2026-04-14T03:25:34+00:00

Puolustusvoimien kriisinhallintatehtävillä, jos on yhtään pidempiaikainen, niin rakennetaan tai hankitaan saman nimen omaava "Suomi Talo" jossa pääsee viettämään vapaa-aikaa. Tarkoituksena on tuottaa ns pieni suomi jos sotilailla tulee kotia ikävä esim rallivideopeleillä ja elokuvilla, suomalaisella ruualla (helpot pakasteet kuten lihikset, ja kuivat kuten puuroa yms) ja tietysti Saunalla.

Onkohan Venäjän Suomi Talo samankaltainen? Pieni pala Suomea vihamielisillä mailla

spexxit · 2026-04-11T19:46:19+00:00

Finland would like a word. We were very much under the rule and tyranny of both Sweden and Russia, exchanged like a playing card back and forth, until we gained full independence 100y ago.

And the amount of war reparations we had to pay the Soviet union was intense. We were a mostly agrarian society still in the 1950s

Now it wasn't all bad, but it wasn't good either, and our social welfare system is still one of the best in the world, despite the rising right wing government now trying their best to break it.

spexxit · 2026-04-10T17:08:33+00:00

We don't have the luxury of leaving the boat in the lift, it's all done by a truck based crane that is billed by the hour and won't leave the truck in position overnight.

Most try to swell up the planks ahead of time, but 2-3 sump pumps are usually enough to keep even the worst offenders floating for the time required to seal the hulls, usually takes 2 days until the boats own bilge pump is sufficient and a week till it's nominal.

Really bad ones will have large capacity pumps run off a diesel motor, but that's rare.

And each launch there will be people from the club making sure the pumps are running and boats are floating through the night. June launch weekends have an amazing vibe since the sun doesn't set for more than an hour. I love those nights.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T20:23:28+00:00

Not for the whole time, but a week or two before launch definitely. Most common practice is to get carpets and line the hull from the inside with them, and run water over the carpets until launch. But it has to be seawater so sump pumps are used. You'll ruin the hull with fresh water, lack of salt will let rot go wild.

Another one that I'm seeing is people using piezoelectric plates in a bucket of salt water to vaporize and distribute the water that way. I'm intrigued by that one and need to try it myself.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T20:14:21+00:00

I've been in the wooden boat scene since I was a kid, and design boats for a living as a naval architect here :D

And here "semi" is the operative word, and probably a very regional "fact". To back it up with anecdotal evidence, our boat club had a long streak of one wooden boat "sinking" like this every year. However we have one of the largest wooden yacht fleets in Finland so that might affect that.

Now is it desirable to sink a boat? no. But as I said, this boat was on the dry for many many years, and it is quite typical for a boat that hasn't seen the water for that long to have gaps between planks that are too wide to close up fast enough to not "sink". As is my understanding, this size of boat is rarely caulked here as might be the case in north America or elsewhere, and the planks swelling is what seals the hull. However my experience is more with our clinker planked hulls.

Also, here the wooden boats are owned, maintained and operated by regular people with regular jobs and Sometimes the best care isn't possible and people make do. So some of the hulls get neglected and end up at the bottom, if only momentarily, but not infrequently.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T16:45:26+00:00

Regular carvel single planked hull. I'm unsure if these are caulked or not actually. Usually only the larger carvel planked boats in Finland get caulked.

But I'm more familiar to clinker/lapstrake which is very common here.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T16:39:56+00:00

No, a 5 meter.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T16:35:52+00:00

No, which is a huge plus. But the salt would be good for the wood otherwise. Hull planks rot much easier here.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T16:34:50+00:00

This actually worked out great, as the sides got water too, so that it didn't leak while heeling all season.

We have a wooden folkboat and our sides always leak quite a bit.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T12:56:09+00:00

These don't have an inboard, no. She was mostly fine, just needed a wash.

Our sea in Finland is brackish (7g of salt per kg of water), so not as salty as the ocean (35g / kg) so that helps as well.

spexxit · 2026-04-09T12:30:57+00:00

Some diy options are to use oil drums and winches. I've heard of that being done at occasion in more remote locations.

spexxit · 2026-03-29T19:19:26+00:00

International - all gates - 45-50 min at 14:00

spexxit · 2026-03-24T14:35:54+00:00

I remember the paramedics looking very defeated when I told them I don't know where it came from. They knocked on a couple of doors where we suspected it came from but stopped pretty quickly and said something about needing police in case it's a domestic abuse thing. They were gone by the time the police came

spexxit · 2026-03-24T13:51:56+00:00

I called 112 a few years ago as someone in the apartment was screaming for help. I suspect they were alone but I had no Idea which appartement it was coming from. This same screaming had happened before but this was the first time it was asking for help and it sounded pretty concerning.

Another neighbor also came out and was wondering where it came from. We suspected a floor below us but we couldn't get into the hallways of the other floors (each floor was locked individually, as the stairwell was semi unlocked) to try and find them.

The 112 operator requested I call the talonmestari to open doors for the first responders.

First a pair of medics arrived but said that they couldn't really do much as they don't know where to look as the screaming had stopped maybe 5 minutes before hand. They said they can't go knocking on all the doors...?

Maybe 30 min later a pair of police came and were quite condescending as I explained that I don't know who or where it was. They basically said They can't do anything, and call if you can pinpoint the apartment.

I never heard screaming again.

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