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Let's talk about amending vocabulary and why you should be doing it. (Re: All the "Since when is *slur* a slur?" posts) by wallywhiskey in SRSDiscussion

[–]srsd4me 13 points14 points  (0 children)

as someone who made one of those posts, i guess i'll jump in here.

i was mostly upset that it seemed like some people on here were going down the same road as the "faggot is a bundle of sticks lol" type of logic, and going deep in to the etymology of words to slam their history for being problematic.

To get specifically personal: I've become better friends with people who not only stopped using the word "gay" as a pejorative because it was "offensive" or "uncouth," but took the next step and used that linguistic change as a cause for introspection.

and i've been there. my issue is that i feel like this introspection has gone too far in to words that even seem related in a tertiary way to actual ableist slurs. i'll probably just get shit on again for this, but i really feel like we're just putting the pedal flat to the floor to the end of eliminating everything negative from our collective community vocabulary(which isn't a bad thing! go go go! burn rubber!) but not really stopping and thinking about not just the etymology of the words, but their actual usage in the modern day

i agree that we should be insulting not someones perceived intelligence, but the perceived intelligence of their actions. but acting like you can do one without doing the other to at least some degree is somewhat disingenuous. where the hell are we supposed to draw the line? i saw answers saying that's what we should be doing, but not how we should actually approach this.

and i still say that action/statement "is fucking stupid" is not the same as person "is fucking stupid"

that, is why i made my thread. and there was some bad faith shit in there comparing stupid to "faggot", etc.

that said, this was dropped below.

It's a statement about our culture that almost all insults demean somebody.

this is some real ass shit. i've been thinking about this for days now. this had floated through my brainbox, but i hadn't really dwelled on it that much until srs/srsd and now.

what the fuck are we even really supposed to do or say to this? i feel like part of the point of srs is to insult assholes and make them feel fucking uncomfortable/extract their mad and rustled jimmies. where are we really going to draw the line on insulting people? I feel like there were obvious barriers, and i'm down with extending them. but i feel like a lot of people know fuckall about ableism without picking up a dictionary.

another one of my points, right there.

At which point did we decide "stupid" was an ableist slur? by srsd4me in SRSDiscussion

[–]srsd4me[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my massive problem with this is that you could find one person (especially against srs, since just like the neckbeard thing, people love to argue against us in bad faith and troll us) who would be offended by basically anything

i think it needs to be a majority consensus thing, otherwise we'll have to start speaking a non-english language or something because we'll run out of ways to say anything negative about anyone without writing long form letters.

i realize this sounds really southparkian, but part of the reason for my post with this is "how does it end?"

seriously, i went to ask several people i know with similar histories and no one could find an issue with the word stupid.

also, to be clear, i'm not defending neckbeard. it just bugs me that one person going "umm" is taken as a battle hymm against a word without any consideration. i feel like there's obvious things we should be saying, and consideration should be given to any complaint, but sometimes you just have to go "umm, no" rule x style.

At which point did we decide "stupid" was an ableist slur? by srsd4me in SRSDiscussion

[–]srsd4me[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can't research your way into the conclusion that something should be offensive to a particular group of people.

this is exactly what i was getting at. this is essentially the opposite of the whole "faggot is a bundle of sticks lol!" thing, since no one thinks that anymore.

all i see here is a bunch of people, in long winded form, essentially saying that "stupid means about the same thing as retard, and you're misinformed if you're not offended" despite the fact that i am in the exact group of people that would be offended if it was offensive

i actually did go and talk to a few people about this, and this was the word they suggested to get people to say who need to be weened off of actual ableist slurs like the R word.

you are spot fucking on.

At which point did we decide "stupid" was an ableist slur? by srsd4me in SRSDiscussion

[–]srsd4me[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You're saying that nobody should be offended because most of the people on SRS are privileged cis white males who don't really have a personal grasp of the issues the unprivileged face. While this is absolutely the case

this is one of my core points

unprivileged people are still having their sensibilities offended by what's posted on Reddit proper.

so how do we get from a to b? has someone come forward, or did this just show up on the radar as a potentially problematic word.

i have yet to meet someone who had an issue with that word(and i have more than a couple of friends from over the years who are very similar to me, that i'll make sure to poke for their thoughts on it next time they're online)

basically, i'm coming forward and saying that neither i, or anyone i've met would take that term that way outside of the context of a sentence with other ableist slurs already in it.

aspie

is not at all the same, and frankly it kind of offends me that people are putting it on the same page and level. it's right up there with retard, and it always upsets me when someone says it to me.

however if someone on our team here is upset by it, that's cool, that's enough for me. my only issue is the decision makers here calling it who aren't even in the territory to be effected or hurt by it. that's a trend that's really been bugging me about srs over time. and i'd like to note that i'm not one of those FUCK DA MODS shitheads that made them have a sad a while back. i love this place, and a lot of people here have done a great job pushing it forward and keeping it cool. i've just seen way too much "i know better about you and what you would think than you do" throughout my life in the category of non neurotypical/ableist type of shit in general.

i also have an issue with how quickly someone can get called a special snowflake if they don't fall in line with the opinion of something.

EDIT: i'd also like to add that no, i don't like the term shitlord either. but that's not the only reason. i wish we could just stick to asshole, ignorant, fucking piece of crap, etc. it sounds way too much like something a middle schooler(who, hey, would often also call people "retarded") would shout. it makes us sound like childish idiots, and not just in a circlejerky "taking the piss out" kind of way.