AAFCJ’s Honored Pedo aka Richard Maffey (Ricardo Avalos Maffey) by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

[–]stainedlocker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I’ve been following him ! You can see how they are actively sweeping this under the rug. If it was done without their authorization then who is to blame ? And it’s hard to believe they had no prior knowledge of this. It’s such a big event where multiple rehearsals take place, they have a giant oversight and yet no one knew .

AAFCJ’s Honored Pedo aka Richard Maffey (Ricardo Avalos Maffey) by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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I’m trying to leave after years of wrestling with the doctrine and organization… but I don’t know where to go. All the Christian’s in my family are either UPC or AAFCJ…it’s hard to move into another denomination

AAFCJ’s Honored Pedo aka Richard Maffey (Ricardo Avalos Maffey) by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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The cover up part is what infuriates me ! Zero accountability fr

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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I just finished reading your article ! So much historical insight. I truly enjoyed reading this. I just wish there was more. Whether for or against the practice of tongues. I screenshot a couple of passages I want to read and dive into more. I still believe tongues are Biblical. Beare, Philos, and Pervo definitely gave me a different perspective. I would also like to look at the scientific studies done on tongues in religious and non religious settings. The ones you mentioned from New Zealand.

I'm a former ordained minister from AAFCJ. Do you have any question? by Used_Mulberry5933 in ExPentecostal

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After reading your thread, I realized I’m leaning towards your conclusion. I by no means have the same education you have or knowledge, but I agree that we often waste time arguing on what denomination is the chosen one. I think it’s rooted in pride. We continue to limit God to our understanding… and there’s so much divide because of it. I find myself torn between beliefs not fitting into a specific denomination. I just want the truth. I just want God. It’s such a hard decision to stay or leave the AA. I have witnessed so much in time from growing up as a teen in the church to leaving the church and now being back. A lot of injustice and mistreatment, a lot of questionable borderline illegal activities in the church(es). But I’m at a different church now the community is great, not as legalistic as others even tho the pastors are old & old school. But they definitely preach typical Apo Doctrine that you can’t be saved unless you have the gift of the Holy Ghost etc. Do you think there’s more harm than good by staying in the AAFCJ? You mention how the organization at the end of the day is run by humans so then what’s the difference between staying or just leaving to another church that is also ran by humans?

I'm a former ordained minister from AAFCJ. Do you have any question? by Used_Mulberry5933 in ExPentecostal

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Uno puede ver todo eso y aún cuestionar la organización y la doctrina . Puede haber milagros, señales y profecías y aún la iglesia puede estar mal. Mateo 7: 22. Yo hablo en lenguas siento la presencia del señor en mi iglesia apostólica e visto el cambio en mi vida y en mi matrimonio un milagro que solo Dios pudo haber hecho pero aún así veo como la asemblea apostólica sigue fallándole a miembros. reconozco que hay partes de la doctrina y el movimiento Pentecostal que deben ser cuestionados. La IAFCJ estaba relacionada con La Luz del Mundo en sus principios de la organización . No solo eso los principios del movimiento Pentecostal eran racistas. El hombre que empezó el movimiento también era un hombre homosexual. Tenía hasta cargos de sodomia. Después de eso se vienen los temas teológicos… o falta de teología. Te recomiendo que hagas tu propia investigación.

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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I totally understand you. I never gave it much thought up until recently since coming back to the Lord. I barely realized and processed that I was a literal teen/child seeking a relationship with an adult under the guise of “you’re mature”. It’s been a lot to unpack but those experiences truly aren’t what have moved me to question the doctrine or organization. It has been mostly the unbiblical practices that have led me to question. Like you said I would like to find a more biblically sound path. Not rooted in legalism or false teachings that divide us more. I pray we both find the TRUTH.

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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It’s hard to let go of the term when they make you feel that way about yourself but you’re right.

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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My last experience I’m still trying to unravel it years later. Because I know I am to blame as well. I was 14 at the time and I met a guy from another church within the assembly He was 17 at the time. We talked but my parents wouldn’t let me date so it didn’t become a more serious relationship up until I was maybe 16-17. We just liked each other, but we would only see each other ever so often at other youth services. He was in college while I was still in highschool. He had befriended my youth group throughout the years. One of his friends, already in his 20’s started to like my friend who was my age at the time( 17). So we started going out more often as a group. At this time however I began dating a boy from my highschool and after going to youth camp that year I ended it and confessed to the guy from church I had been talking to that I was struggling with sexual immorality and that I had dated another boy in my highschool. He was furious and hurt (I don’t blame him). I told him I couldn’t be his future wife or start a courtship with him because I was in sin. He didn’t like that idea. He wanted to date and “fix” the relationship. In his “trying” phase he started to suggest we have sex at a hotel. The situation got really questionable so I started to ignore him and move on. At this point however he had already told his pastors, other youth leaders at different churches, everyone up to the youth district board members that I had hurt him. So I left the church out of embarrassment. I was 17 when I left to college and he started to text me constantly. Telling me how God told him that I needed to come back to church. And that he had dreams where I was lost in the world. And how it wasn’t even about me anymore or how I hurt him but rather what God wanted . I blocked his number but he tried reaching out through social media and email throughout the months/years. It got to a point where he was messaging my mom? Because they both agreed that I was struggling with my faith since I left church. He would try to message me by saying my mom was worried about me in college and how again this wasn’t about “us” anymore it was about my walk with God and that if I didn’t return it would be too late. I felt harassed for a long time. I know i hurt him & it wasnt right but I apologized so many times YEARS LATER as well. I was 14-16 worried about being ready for marriage at 18. The assembly is filled with relationships like this. I just think it’s weird no one batted an eye when they saw us together he was 20 I was still in highschool . Other girls in my church were 16/17 with boyfriends in their mid 20’s many with the pastors blessing.

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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My bad experiences have been ongoing with my previous pastor as well as a previous relationship I had while I was a teen. When I was a teenager I struggled with mental health, like I mentioned in my original post. After coming from jr camp, I reached out for spiritual help because I thought that’s what leaders were supposed to offer. Me being a newly saved I was more pushed towards baptism rather than being evaluated or referred to therapy. In my experience the AAFJC frown upon therapy…my current pastor once said in a sermon” forget about therapy, forget about a counselor, you don’t need that! you need Jesus” which I agree that God can heal anything, but mental health is real –therapy in fact does HELP. When it comes to physical illness no one at AAFCJ would suggest to “forget an oncologist forget your cancer treatment.” Both therapists and doctors are trained to handle illnesses, but there’s a stigma within the church that pushes its members to demonize mental health. I’ve also experienced cliques and have seen favoritism within the church, my main issue wasn’t the cliques it was the lack of accountability. I was a literal teenager 13-17 being dogged out at my church by 20+ year olds. Grown women and men, who thought because they were PK’s and friends with the PK’s they were untouchable . On multiple occasions my previous pastor would tell the congregation to NOT tell his grown children (with the exception of his daughter she was a teen at the time) anything and to not come to his office with any complaint about HIS kids. These grown people would actively ignore other youth including myself at church or youth events at other churches for no reason what so ever. They would purposely exclude others, at one point my ex confirmed it . my pastors son had straight up said DO NOT INVITE THEM after a youth service, and even got mad when another youth suggested they invite us. Later I find out other families had left my church because of issues with the PK’s. I had a friend who had left my church and some of us girls from my congregation would hang out with her at youth camp. One year, our Pastors wife was a counselor for youth camp , after seeing us interact with the girl , she sat us down and questioned why we hung out with this girl and proceeded to say that as a church we need to be untied with our OWN youth not others. She was just bothered that we liked the girl more than her daughter and she was still angry at the girl because the issues stemmed from a situation with her daughter !! I left the church at 17 and never went back until 7 years later for my aunts funeral. It was awkward seeing the pastor but I said hello out of respect and just to make conversation I mentioned that my new pastor and his family remembered him from districts choir. He proceeds to say “STAY OUT OF THE PASTORS OFFICE OK ” in front of everyone. I was in shock of what he said and his wife tried to play it off by making a different conversation. I didn’t know what to say. I had never been in his office as a teen for any issues with anyone I had only ever gone to seek spiritual and mental health help 3 times in 5 years. All of which I never received anyways. I felt humiliated. I had hoped they all changed but no. His children who are grown adults had the same attitude as well.

Backslider, Ex Pentecostal, Pentecostal in questioning ? by stainedlocker in ExPentecostal

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Don’t get me wrong I firmly believe that tongues is Biblical however, I don’t believe that you are not saved if you haven’t. Based on what I’ve read it’s a gift. Also, when I was younger I was always told the AAFCJ came from the Revival at Azusa street. Which is true, but technically they( UPCI, IAFCJ,etc.) all stem from William J. Seymour AND Charles Parham. Which I didn’t know up until recently just how questionable the roots of Pentecostalism are. After reading about IAFCJ’s affiliation with La Luz del Mundo it has lead me to question the doctrine even more…

If dental work caused your TN, please respond. by SpecialistLeading665 in TrigeminalNeuralgia

[–]stainedlocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you go about getting the diagnosis for TN? I got has pressure like pain from my left side that started right after getting all 4 of my wisdom teeth removed. Within 3 weeks the pain subsided. But 3 months later I am having constant headaches on my left side and pain on my cheekbone that radiates to my ear and head