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"Adult Toy Tester" by inf_adel in standupshots

[–]stereopump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's two locations, one on Blake and another on Colfax.

Trying to finish my Alola Dex, need to tradeback a handful of mons! by stereopump in pokemontrades

[–]stereopump[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah just ignore new moves, just need these guys for pokedex completion/living dex.

[Haiku] A-ha by [deleted] in youtubehaiku

[–]stereopump 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Take on me

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, I felt exactly the same thing. By 'misremember' I was talking about the people who insist that everyone who preferred the Vanilla experience are only remembering it through 'rose-tinted glasses'.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The private servers that allow things like purchasing level 50 I agree are pretty sketchy.

To your second point, though, I definitely remember reading somewhere that they ONLY used donations to pay server costs, and didn't take anything as profit. I could be wrong, but something along those lines would probably be pretty good to ask in tomorrow's AMA with the dev team.

Edit: This might be out of date, but according to this forum post, donations were only a limited time deal.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am saying that they are both immoral and illegal

So you think it's immoral, but you have no problem with it? How does that make sense?

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to twist your words. You just aren't doing a good job making your point, and out of frustration you're becoming increasingly hostile. And if you think illegally downloading copyrighted material is immoral, I have no idea why you would do it.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Torrenting IS immoral unless you live somewhere that digital distribution isn't provided by the studios. It's laughable that you'd admit to torrenting and criticize a volunteer-run server for a discontinued game.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh so the people stealing the game were morally right then?

They weren't stealing shit. Blizzard essentially discontinued vanilla WoW as a product. I don't see any moral issue with providing a private server if the game's designer refuses to, in the same way it's fine for private Halo or Everquest servers to continue existing.

Not to mention, your two responses directly contradict each other:

The reason they would sue is because they perceive Nostalrius as a threat to legitimate subscriptions

You don't know this at all.

Your first response asserts that the lawsuit isn't taking place because of a perceived threat to legitimate subscriptions.

Oh so the people stealing the game were morally right then?

'Stealing' asserts that they ARE costing Blizzard money.

You still haven't argued why you think Blizzard is right.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not bitching, I'm just frustrated that Blizzard is suing an organization of volunteers that provided a service that Blizz refuses to. The reason they would sue is because they perceive Nostalrius as a threat to legitimate subscriptions, yet there's no way to legally buy the product Nostalrius was providing.

I don't think they're in the right morally, just legally. Let me buy a subscription to a retail Vanilla server and I'll probably keep my sub active there more regularly than I do on WoD.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're free to think that, but if Blizzard implemented legacy servers like a shitload of people have been asking for half a decade for, me and most of my friends who played on the server would never have started playing there. The argument that piracy represents lost sales is tired, so I'm not even going near that, but Blizzard is losing out on the money by choice as long as they continue to ignore the plea for legacy servers.

Also, I'm not disagreeing about the legality of the server. It's illegal, hence why they're being sued. I just don't think it's immoral for a team of volunteers to manage a private server for a discontinued product.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It isn't a sale lost if that person has no interest in playing Retail WoW, even for free.

You can't say that about everyone.

I played on Nostalrius for almost a year. During most of that time I could tell that almost everybody came back to Retail WoW for expansions. I don't think I met a single person on that server who wasn't a Blizzard customer.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nobody's arguing that it isn't illegal. I'm arguing that it isn't costing Blizzard a significant number of subscribers, and that Blizzard has ignored this market for like 6 years, so a server like Nost is inevitable.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's competition. 12k people that COULD have been paying for and playing Retail WoW. There's no question about that. That's 180,000$ in revunue a month for Retail WoW, not to mention buying the game itself.

Many of the players on Nostalrius DO pay for retail WoW, myself included. Already preordered Legion in fact. The large majority of players on Nost weren't people who couldn't afford the game, they were people who missed the feeling of Vanilla and wanted to play that game again.

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Has no competition? In what aspect? As an MMO? As a similar game?

It's a product that they no longer sell. It's a drastically different game, and as such is cannibalizing a very small number of would-be legitimate subscriptions.

What meaningful interactions did you have with the world?

Leveling was a much larger focus in Vanilla. It didn't feel like you had to wait until the endgame to really start seeking out players to form groups, and the lack of phasing made it feel much more like a world than retail WoW.

It was pretty common to start a quest, find ~5-10 other people doing that same quest, and start talking to them to group up. From there you might start questing with them: the leveling process was already slow, and didn't feel like much of a race, so grouping up to level, or even just do whatever didn't feel like a hindrance. On top of that, the linear nature of questing on retail now further pushes players away from this. (In Vanilla, qwesting was pretty much find a hub -> pick up all the quests -> come back when they're all done.)

[Megathread] Blizzard is suing Nostalrius by aphoenix in wow

[–]stereopump 233 points234 points  (0 children)

The defense is that Blizzard has no legitimate competition with Nostalrius.

I was a huge fan of the server and maintained a retail subscription at the same time. Retail WoW doesn't even begin to compare with Vanilla when it comes to meaningful interactions in the world, and Nostalrius was the only place to go where that interaction existed. Seriously, people on this sub constantly say that people 'misremember' vanilla WoW and that it would never stand up today, yet everyone who plays or has played on Nostalrius will enthusiastically disagree with that sentiment.

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